Why Is The Establishment Smearing Bernie Sanders More Than Ever?

[votesparks]

After a week of news about the chaos at the Nevada Democratic Convention, Van Jones offered something rare on CNN: the accurate honest truth. He pointed out the complete lack of evidence for violence from Bernie supporters and that in fact, the one arrest for violence was a Hillary supporter. Washington insider Paul Begala was among others on the panel.

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[dragonfly301]

1. The chair (Roberta Lange) threw the convention not

chairs thrown at the convention - msm gets it wrong again.

[George II]

35. There WERE chairs thrown, and I guess you (or other Sanders supporters) are aware of the fact...

...that Roberta Lange was a SANDERS supporter going into that convention.

And the media isn't "smearing" Sanders, they just not doing only pro-Sanders reports.

[dragonfly301]

40. Sorry - no chairs thrown

http://www.snopes.com/did-sanders-supporters-throw-chairs-at-nevada-democratic-convention/

[George II]

43. Snopes doesn't say it's false, it says it's "unproven". BIG difference.

[dragonfly301]

45. so where is YOUR proof that it happened?

and I'd like a link to Roberta Lange being a Bernie supporter - can't seem to find anything about that on google.

[George II]

80. It was posted on the Newsweek website on May 18.

[markpkessinger]

79. Sorry, but the burden of proof is on those making the allegation n/t

[merrily]

54. ONE chair was LIFTED for about 7 seconds. NONE were thrown. IMO, Lange lied, just as so many on this

board lied about whom they actually supported, so they could try pull the #BernieLostMe scam.

http://jackpineradicals.org/showthread.php?11573-The-Sit-Down-and-Shut-Up-Award-and-Other-Realities

[George II]

58. Chairs were thrown, and I won't go to that site.

[merrily]

59. Someone who posts at a site where anti-Semitic posts abound won't go to JPR? LOL! ok. NO chairs,

just lies of Hillary surrogates and supporters were thrown in Nevada, much like at DU, KOS and other message boards.

Read and respond to my posts here, but you won't read what I posted at JPR. Wow, what a principled stand.

[George II]

61. That's a false accusation that NO ONE has ever substantiated.

Time to drop that, please.

[merrily]

63. Sorry, that is absolutely untrue, George II. Screen caps were posted here and we don't have

collective amnesia. Anti-Semitic posts, posts targeting DUers, like Cali, for a ban, posts plotting what to post here to attack Sanders. You're not losing it. You must remember, just as the rest of us do.

[George II]

70. NONE of those "screen caps" had any anti-Semitic comments. NONE. Those who made that claim....

....were asked a dozen times by several DUers what was said that was anti-Semitic, not one was responded to.

So, if you claim you remember, why not post specifically what those allegedly anti-Semitic comments were? There wasn't a single one.

[merrily]

71. Not true. And I won't fall into the trap of posting on demand, as did poor BMUS. You know she got

hides for posting screen caps from that site, right, even though so doing violated no DU TOS. And now, her account has been "under review" for a long time. So, no thanks, George II.

[George II]

73. That's fine, but just stop making false claims without being willing to actually back them up....

.... Again, there were NO anti-Semitic comments made.

I won't even get into that other false stuff about another DUer, other than the mistaken notion that the DUer is "under review". That's false, and can be checked very easily here on DU by anyone. You should check before saying things that are incorrect. I won't post that profile here, but this is just one line from that profile: "Account status: Active".

PS - merrily, I see you've learned to include the screen name of the person you're responding to in your posts so you can cross-reference, index, and catalog your posts for future reference.

Now, merrily, you're on ignore.

[merrily]

76. YOU are the one making false claims about chairs being thrown and not backing them up.

Those are the only false claims involved in these exchanges.

No one at DU saw those chairs being thrown. Many at DU saw the screen caps. So, your claims they don't exist are not impressing many here.

As far as my using your name to reply so I can index, you could not be more wrong. I only wish I were that organized. However, if I did keep track of posts, so what? They are on the board, not private or personal--and you sure are pals with plenty of people who do that.

As far as being on ignore, I'll do my best to survive with your responses to my, but it's sure going to be rough.

[lewebley3]

64. Sanders is not a leader his people have gone out of control: Sad

[gordianot]

2. Near Democratic panic is in the Air due to uncertainty and definitely opposition research.

The Democratic party does not want Bernie Sanders killing the golden goose now that it is in their grasp. On the other hand Democrats are scared shitless of what is coming after Hillary. Trump is right about one thing he will make deals largely without the strings Hillary requires from her base.

[LiberalArkie]

3. Because they feel that if they keep smearing the supporters that they won't get their

support in november. So they switched to Bernie himself.

[zentrum]

10. Good point.

[political marxist]

4. nevada convention

The question of violence during a very undemocratic Nevada convention is being used to distract from the actual violence of an anti-democratic U.S....violence exemplified in Clinton's stewardship of the State Department and vociferous support for her husband's assault on the working class. Hillary will be poisonous as president but likely for only one term...if she can defeat Trump, that is.

[bluedigger]

25. Welcome to DU.

Nice first post. I think I posted a cat meme.

I think it's pretty interesting that all three "survivors" - HRC, Drumpf, and Sanders - look to be one termers. This year's VP choices are significant, and the 2020 race is going to be wild, even by this year's standards.

[political marxist]

56. thanks

You're probably right...though the appearance of a third party would be welcome. There is already a structure in place, if in hiatus. The Labor Party could be revived if the AFL-CIO is convinced to back it once again, this time as a serious social-democratic entity rather than as a whip to beat the Democrats with. Of course, a socialist movement that ignites the imagination of young people could preempt even that, but that doesn't seem likely in the near term.

[bluedigger]

62. Well, we have two "third" parties already, the Greens and Libertarians.

But I wouldn't be surprised for Bernie's followers, largely the Occupy movement. to finally form a party to the left of the Democratic Party. There's a lot of room there. And the opportunity for libertarians to move beyond the racism of the GOP is promising as well. Anything could happen on the right. Maybe we are seeing the end of the two party era in US politics finally begin.

[lewebley3]

65. Wrong: Nevada was won by Hillary: Sanders people are there to make trouble

[Meteor Man]

5. Total Establishment Meltdown

The Washington Consensus itself is threatened. The M$M cannot accept an alternate reality. The media elite have swallowed the line of steaming hot bullshit served by their corporate masters because their paycheck depends on it.

Bernie threatens the comfortable womb of elitist crap that keeps them all cozy and happy.

[scottie55]

18. Bernie Threatens It So Much They Have To Lie Openly About His Supporters

If Bernie is successful removing money from our "elections" they will lose BILLIONS.

To hell with anything else.

The MSM is a self serving entity.

Newsspeak is just their shtick.

[Nitram]

72. Sanders lost Nevada by the rules of the state's primary.

Clinton won the majority of the states' delegates back in February. Some Sanders supporters are apparently poor losers who will blame anybody but their candidate. Woe betide the MSM if they report the truth and it doesn't have bias towards Bernie.

[jalan48]

6. Money. Why would the establishment, (Wall Street corporations) want to pay more in taxes?

[scottie55]

19. So We Don't F-ing Blank Them

Fill in the blanks.

I heard on a history program that Roosevelt wanted to tax the rich at 100% (the top rate). They settled on 93%. The Republicans asked why they should pay so much. Roosevelt said because if they don't pay he won't protect them.

We need another Roosevelt, not another Clinton.

Sorry.

[d_legendary1]

7. This is the attack phase

after this, he wins!

[lewebley3]

66. No its the truth phase: Sanders has been lying to his supporters

[SmittynMo]

8. What else does she have to do

to prove to all of us that she is useless? It's been going on since the 2014 election, when we lost the house.

I cannot understand why something has not been done about her. And I'm pretty sure it's Obama's job to address this. She totally fucked this up and confirmed even more, how fixed it is.

I just can't believe it.

I think it's time we dialed up the revolution a few notches.

[pangaia]

26. I don't think she fucked it up at all.

I think she is doing exactly what she is supposed to do, unfortunately.

[lewebley3]

67. Quit with the vulgarism: if you run out of Ideas stop posting: You write

like Trump talks.

[pangaia]

68. I welcome your insult.

[lewebley3]

69. It's not an insult: its fact

[dchill]

77. It's an insult. You write like a 14-year-old.

See?

[drm604]

9. I've been wondering the same thing.

If she's so certain to win, why waste effort smearing him and his supporters. At this point they should be trying to win over his supporters, not alienate them.

[PatrynXX]

12. The old Gandhi line applies n/t

[drm604]

14. Don't keep us in suspense.

What's the old Gandhi line?

[pangaia]

27. Shaken not stirred...

Hell, I have no idea.

[drm604]

55. ROFL

[bluedigger]

32. "Jesus is ideal and wonderful, but you Christians - you are not like him."

[PatrynXX]

11. Now someone's reminded me the 3 million votes BS is total BS

the vote totals are both inaccurate and don't include the Majority of States Bernie has won (Caucus States X_X) So in all likelyhood as far as vote totals are concerned he could be ahead but we'll never know.

[Cryptoad]

13. Answer

Since Bern's loss to Hillary , Bern is acting like an Asshole more than ever.

[scottie55]

21. It's The "We Won The Rigged Game" HRC Supporters

That make me want to puke.

Bernie represents all of us, and we know it.

I have no idea why anyone would choose Mrs. Baggage over Bernie.

She's probably counting the millions she milked out of Wall Street right now.

[stupidicus]

42. obviously because of her warmongering and attachment to the aristocracy

and the latter is what makes their claims about Bernie not being a "dem" so amusingly stupid.

I guess it depends on what the meaning of "dem" is.

[pangaia]

29. Well, thank you for your well thought-out opinion.

[bluedigger]

37. When did he first become an asshole?

I would guess it was when he decided to run for President, amIright?

[Cryptoad]

75. wrong again whistle britches

it was when he publich his tax plan that taxed peeps living in poverty and its still on his web site if u want to read it or can read it?

[bluedigger]

82. When I need a literacy evaluation, I'll call you first.

You seem to have it all figured out, Cupcake.

[Dustlawyer]

15. They are scared of the MOVEMENT he has built upon.

There are plans to recruit House candidates that support Bernie's platform and will raise money nationwide to give these candidates the money they need to run without taking corporate money. They want to discredit Bernie to try to cut off the head of this movement!

Make sure to donate to this effort and help recruit good candidates known locally for their integrity. They are planning this for the next mid-term election. This can work and unseat establishment incumbents to reestablish Representative Democracy which we have lost to Big Donors!

[scottie55]

23. Absolutely - Time To Be Rid Of The Sellouts

If the Democrats didn't surrender on every issue, the Republicans wouldn't be able to do as much damage.

The Republicans will fight to the death for tax cuts for billionaires, but the Democrats won't even put up a fight to give all Americans healthcare.

Sad isn't it.

[Dustlawyer]

81. My pet peeve is when someone grapes about "spineless Democrats."

I say call these otherwise ambitious politicians what they are, corrupt! They aren't afraid of the Republicans, they have been ordered to lay down on certain issues to make sure something TPTB want gets through.

There is Quid Pro Quo everywhere, but the ones who would investigate/prosecute (Eric Holder for example) won't do it!

[mountain grammy]

16. It's like any big bully who gets his prey on the ground

totally defeated, but demands the victim say "uncle." The DNC, under the present leadership, wants us beaten and silent; the corporate sponsors expect it. Shut up and vote for the nominee, because, Trump, and we will. But, we should never be silent and we won't be beaten.

[beastie boy]

17. It's not just the establishment. It's just about everybody (except, curiously, the right wing)

And the reasons are obvious. It's mostly his "my way or the highway" attitude and his blatant lies to his supporters about his chances of winning the nomination (and the election).

[scottie55]

24. Hillary Could Be Arrested At Any Minute

Now I won't type what I want to say, so no alert needed!

[beastie boy]

39. I've heard the "any minute" thing for two years now.

This joke wore itself off about a year ago.

And it has nothing to do with Bernie being criticized by everyone except the right wing.

[pangaia]

34. He is not lying to us. We know exactly what is going on.

There is no highway. He KNOWS what is wrong. The ONLY solution is to get rid of the money...

[beastie boy]

41. When he says he has a path to victory, he is not lying to you?

You may know it's a lie, but he still says it...

[pangaia]

46. Heh, heh, heh.........

No.

[beastie boy]

47. No what? Is he not lying or is he not saying he has a path to nomnation?

I am just curious which part of reality you are choosing to ignore. Or is it both?

[raindaddy]

20. Because without an infusion of FDR populism that Sanders represents, the Democratic party

is a dying party.

And what we're now seeing is the death rattle!

[nini]

22. Because he's an asshole?

[Gore1FL]

33. Nope. But thatnks for playing. nt

[George II]

44. Jury results:

On Fri May 20, 2016, 11:02 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

Because he's an asshole?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1017&pid=374446

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Calling Bernie an asshole? Over the top.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Fri May 20, 2016, 11:12 AM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: This is the primary season, at least no one called him a c*, b*, or w* - none of which have been hidden when directed toward our nominee.
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: This post can be characterized as both disruptive and over-the-top. It adds absolutely nothing to political discourse.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The poster did NOT call Bernie an asshole. His name doesn't appear in the post AND there's a question mark. Sanders followers really need to try and stop their attempts to censor people's posts just because that other poster isn't kowtowing to Sanders.
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Takes one??
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I only read the GDP posts that I see in juries and I know this is mild by current standards
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: My understanding is that while calling a member of this community an a**hole would be inappropriate, calling a public figure that, while hurtful to his supporters, is fair game. In general I tend to lean towards not wanting to be the word police.
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: If name-calling's all you have, you have no argument. Hide this.

[scottie55]

28. The Gravy Train Must Not Stop!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We want paid.

Now give us ours.

We earned it (and they did dialing for dollars 20 hours a day)......

To hell with the people, they can get used to living on less so our owners can keep more right?

[polio2]

31. They don't want him to get in the way of Biden. n/t

[pangaia]

36. Yeah, there is certainly that possibility....

It is quite an onion, is it not.

[hay rick]

38. The media is doing what it is paid to do.

Serving their corporate masters.

[Enthusiast]

49. Huge +1!

[beastie boy]

57. TPM, Daily Kos, Mother Jones, are all serving their corporate masters, right?

[Enthusiast]

48. They are really alienating me. Maybe that is their goal.

[bjo59]

50. Why more than ever?

Because a) the establishment doesn't want Sanders showing up to the convention with any more pledged delegates than he already has; b) because maybe if the establishment can make enough smears stick before June 7th, he'll just drop out which is what would be best for the establishment; c) because the establishment thinks a demonstration of what will happen to candidates who dare call attention to government corruption and corporate power will prevent future like candidates from ever daring to attempt that again; and d) because the Democratic party establishment has taken a page from Karl Rove's book? Whatever the case, the uglier the smears, the more desperate the establishment looks and the more damage they do to party loyalty.

[Enthusiast]

51. Kicked and recommended! nt

[notadmblnd]

52. Cenk Uyger of TYT did a piece on it yesterday

It's posted here on DU. Some great points were made.

[Jitter65]

53. Because he deserves it. nt

[Populist_Prole]

60. Because he's still fighting the status quo and making them wage a two front war

War against the opposition party ( on non-economic matters ) and war against the populist base of their own party ( on economic matters )

A movement of economic populism and all the buzz it creates gives the establishment the heebee-jeebies....we all know that. It's that the movement was to be quelled enough to allow technocrat-speak to dominate so that they can return to their regularly scheduled horse-race contest over bullshit issues. It has not happened.

Hence, the rancor among the plutocrats....and their toadies.

[JDPriestly]

74. One of my daughters was maybe 12 or 13 when she formed a club at school and

invited all the girls -- except one -- to join. When she announced the formation of her "exclusive" club at the dinner table, her voice was triumphant. She had finally found a way to best her rival, the excluded girl. I wanted to give some advice, but I held my tongue because some lessons are best learned through experience.

A few days later, I asked her how her club was doing. She looked very sad. The girl she had excluded had formed a club that excluded my daughter.

So much for excluding your rivals.

Debbie Wasserman Schultz and Hillary are making an enormous mistake.

What they are not understanding is that the central issue in the Bernie campaign is the corruption.

They are handling their differences with Bernie and his supporters so as to HIGHLIGHT their own corruption, their own in-crowd mentality.

Jimmy Dorr says it so well. This is a great video. I hope that the leadership in the Democratic Party watches it because they don't know how close they are to splitting the Party and losing in November.

Feel the Bern!

[Squinch]

78. Because at this point he is doing nothing but trolling the Democrats.

[GreatGazoo]

83. they have been looking for Dean Scream all along

they view Sanders as the opening act that outplays the headliner. The more the crowd see of him the worse she looks.