Bill Clinton to Bernie Supporters: If You Think Hillary Supporters are Establishment, “Don't Vote”

[berniesandero]

This is the smartest thing Bill Clinton ever said. "Vote for Sanders if you think Hillary & her supporters are part of the establishment." Well, you heard the man! Vote Sanders! ‪#‎ByeHillecia‬ ‪#‎FeelTheBern‬


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[jalan48]

1. Well, that should get Bubba banned from DU.

[Joob]

2. Thanks Bill, for understanding. That's what I believe and won't ever vote for her.

[roguevalley]

54. ditto

[oberliner]

3. Fascinating how popular Fox News hit pieces are these days

As long as they attack the Clintons.

This piece also makes the Bernie supporters look bad as well with selectively chosen quotes.

Typical for Fox News - and one of the reasons why I thought we aren't fans of that ridiculous network around here.

Incidentally, Bill Clinton does not say what the subject line says he says.

In any case, Fox News is garbage. One would think we would all agree on that.

[Autumn]

10. The problem in your world isn't what Bill said, the problem is Fox, where Obama has given interviews

This is just so damn cute.

[oberliner]

14. Fox News is a major problem

In fact, it will be doing hit pieces like this on the Democrats throughout the election cycle, just as it does every election cycle (and the rest of the time also).

This Fox News video is a perfect encapsulation of what is wrong with the right-wing corporate media.

[Autumn]

17. Yet Democrats like Obama legitimize it. eom

[Buzz cook]

62. And Sanders legitimizing FOX News must give you a sad.

He trusts fox to give a fair debate.

[Autumn]

65. Oh Buzz, Bernie/ Fox bad Obama/Fox good . Your hypocrisy is showing.

[Buzz cook]

70. Bernie/Fox News good

Obama/Fox News bad. What point were you trying to make?

[katsy]

40. But did fox put those words in bills mouth?

The messenger isn't a news outlet. We all know it's a piece of shit propoganda machine.

But did bill say that?

[oberliner]

42. Fox News did a selective editing job, which is what they usually do

They edited the Bernie supporters to choose two who do not reflect particularly well on Bernie.

And they edited a tiny section from a much longer Bill Clinton speech (and then the OP misrepresents what he actually said).

Again, this is standard Fox News tactics.

[katsy]

44. Link to whole speech?

[oberliner]

46. There are some longer clips on Youtube

But I can't find the full speech.

Here is the remark in question verbatim:

"For 45 years, I have watched her do things I did not think anybody could do, almost all of that time as a private citizen. In the democratic primary, you’ve got two people that voted together 93 percent of the time. More than 90 percent of the people who served with both of them have endorsed Hillary. If you believe that they did it just because they’re part of some corrupt political establishment and there’s no difference in Republicans and Democrats, you shouldn’t vote for her. But if you believe these are good people like Stephanie who tried to make a difference, then you should be for her."

His point is that the people in Congress who are supporting Hillary are doing so because they think she would make a good president.

It seems reasonable, even if you disagree with that assessment.

[katsy]

51. Ty

I hate fox

[zentrum]

68. Slick Willy

....is at it again. She wasn't a Senator for very long to begin with---so the "93% of the time" stat, if even true, was the blink of an eye---just long enough to vote for the disastrous Iraq War. Which seems never ending.

He's actually trying to subtly conflate Bernie with the Establishment. And Hillary with Bernie. All just one, happy progressive family with "no difference between 'em". Bill leeks obfuscation out of with every slick pore.

[oberliner]

69. Hillary Clinton was a US Senator for 8 years

She and Bernie voted the same was 93 percent of the time during the two years their Senate careers overlapped.

[greenman3610]

18. Bernie bros have been suckers for Fox memes

and Fox knows it.
It's a strategy.

[Feeling the Bern]

49. Considering where I live, there is no Fox News, your turd of wisdom about Bernie Bros

is invalid.

But thanks for playing. And working to convince me to vote for HRC.

[RiverNoord]

50. I'm certain that the poster is a paid troll, and not for either Sanders or Clinton.

1) All posts (69 of them) are identical in this respect: they are always video links with <iframe> tags that don't render from inside DU posts.

2) Not once has the poster ever responded to a reply. All posts are OPs with video links, most with some canned text.

3) DU account opened in February.


This time, however, the troll's video was pretty hard to ignore.

I'm a Sanders supporter, and agree that Fox News is garbage. I wish that Democrats would simply commit to never appearing on it. Period.

I also agree that Bill Clinton didn't quite say what the subject line says he did. A few words qualified what he said a bit, but what he did say is... well, really hard for me to pass off as significantly altered by the qualifiers.


Finally, though - I don't like getting information from a troll. I'm going to have to treat Clinton's statement like a jury instruction to ignore something just heard for purposes of evidence. A human being can't truly ignore such a thing, but it's possible to consciously set such a thing aside when arriving at conclusions.

[notadmblnd]

55. I feel the same way about MSNBC

What with Fox's talking heads showing up there for interviews now, I can hardly tell them apart.

[oberliner]

59. Seriously?

I was just listening to MSNBC and they tore apart Trump for having such shady characters all up and down his campaign.

[notadmblnd]

60. Seriously, Bill Kristol and Kelly Conway

who for years were Fox staples are now regularly appearing on MSNBC

I wouldn't even be surprised to see Anne Coulter there soon.

[oberliner]

61. That is unfortunate

But they do also have voices of sanity who call the Republicans out for their shenanigans in a way that Fox generally does not.

[notadmblnd]

63. Haven't seen it lately.

[oberliner]

64. As I said, just this evening at 9PM or so

There was a name-by-name analysis of the people on Trump's campaign and how so many of them have been involved in scandalous activities including one who pled guilty to bribery.

[JDPriestly]

4. Hillary and Bill just don't seem to want the votes of Bernie supporters.

Their offer of a few people on a committee or two at the convention and a speech slot for Bernie is far too little.

I heard that Hillary bargained for a much bigger role in Obama's administration than people realize. I don't want to say just what I heard, but ask around. I hope a news source will look into that.

[LuvLoogie]

8. What part of Hillary's administration should Bernie bargain for?

[JDPriestly]

11. Up to him, but I would start with the positions of the attorney general and the

Secretary of the Treasury.

[LuvLoogie]

13. For himself or to have input on the selection? I don't think he has the creds for either position.

[JDPriestly]

24. Input or choice, but while I volunteer for the campaign, I have no say or official ties.

It would be up to Bernie.

But to break up the big banks into healthier sizes, those are the two positions you need.

Just my opinion.

By the way, Bernie is better qualified, much better qualified for the post of Sec. lf the Treasury than is Hillary.

When he first served in the House, he was on the Banking Committee, and he now serves on the Senate Budget Committee.

He does not have a law degree, nevertheless, he is a quick study and could probably serve as Attorney General too after so many years in Congress. He went in in 1992 I believe. That's a long time in Congress.

It's Hillary who lacks the experience with banking and budget matters.

[LuvLoogie]

31. I think there should be a push for state banks. Give homeowners and businesses an alternative.

Creating state banks might be easier than breaking up the big commercial banks. I think people would welcome the choice. I don't know what the obstacles would be, but you could probably do it in a state like Vermont. It seems to me there already exists a collective will for that kind of legislation.

[JDPriestly]

35. Either that, or a post office bank.

A state bank would be great in California.

[LuvLoogie]

37. I think Jerry would be all for it. It's time has come...or returned.

I'm a bit skeptical of a post office bank beyond a few basic services. And that would require federal legislation.

California has always been a groundbreaking state. Someone should try and pique the governor's interest.

[notadmblnd]

56. Senator Sanders would like to have USPS serve as banking facilities

and get rid of payday lenders. Hillary will never do that, her pal Debbie is awash in payday lender money.

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2015/10/bernie-sanders-lets-turn-post-offices-into-banks/411589/

[LuvLoogie]

58. I'm talking about full service banking. Small business and construction, home loan & car loans, etc

on a state level. USPS would be federal and likely harder to pass.

You could start state banks in democratically controlled governments like California and Vermont, maybe Minnesota.

It's working in North Dakota.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-success-of-public-banking-bank-of-north-dakota-outperforms-wall-street/5415100

[GoneFishin]

66. Interesting tack. But I wouldn't trust her to not thwart every effort he made in a progressive

direction.

She's a neo-liberal.

[Nirgendwo]

30. I know that they don't want MY vote--

I intend to oblige them.

[Tal Vez]

5. The video here does not support the title of this thread.

But, it's ok. People get discouraged.

[Warpy]

6. Bill, SHUT UP. Just SHUT UP.

Pissing off everybody who has supported Sanders is not helpful.

(this sort of thing just keeps getting reported. I know he's frustrated that everybody doesn't love his wife as much as he does, but honestly, wooing supporters by pointing out specific things they have in common is better)

[jwirr]

7. Thanks Bill although I really don't need anyone's permission

to do that.

[Vincardog]

9. I agree with Bill. HRC is part of the problem not the solution.

[corkhead]

12. I was hopping mad at first until I saw the video. That is not what he said.

he said "Over 90% of those who have served with both of them have endorsed Hillary. If you believe that they did it because they are all part of the political establishment and there is no difference between republicans and democrats, you shouldn't vote for her."

I believe she did in fact get the support of that 90% because she is calling in favors as part of being in the political establishment, but I do think there is a difference between republicans and democrats. Just not nearly as much as I would like.


All that aside, he sure doesn't sound good. He doesn't sound to me to be nearly as sharp as he used to be. I know people who lost a bit after open heart surgery. I wonder if it is that or some other issue.

[oberliner]

16. Yes, exactly

I'm glad someone else actually watched the video (in spite of it being a loathsome Fox News hit piece) and saw that Bill did not actually say what the OP says.

[pangaia]

32. He's a smart cookie..

He throws in... "and there is no difference between republicans and democrats,..." as a little trap to trip people up.


That one little qualifier just slides by most.....

[Scootaloo]

53. Always gotta make sure to watch the video.

That's how Camp Weathervane ended up screaming their silly heads off about "BERNIE DEMANDS SAY OVER CLINTON'S CABINET!" yesterday, because they didn't watch the fucking video, and just went with the twitter headline.

[Geronimoe]

15. If Hillary isn't part of the establishment

then I guess it depends on what is, is.

[merrily]

19. If someone who has been in politics since age 13 is NOT part of the establishment, who is?

These are not the droids you're looking for.

[pangaia]

33. In fact, in my view, it is not a problem being in politics for decades.

It is one's attitude and behavior for all those years...

[merrily]

36. I agree, but that's a different issue from who is establishment and who isn't.

[SunDrop23]

20. For me it's simple. I vote for Bernie in November or I stay home. (nfm)

[Jackilope]

22. Go out and vote down ballot

No need to stay home. Let's get in decent people in that change move the tide away from corporate fascism. I won't ever vote for Hillary, but there are other ballot issues and people I can support.

[ejbr]

39. +1 n.t

[SunDrop23]

71. Good point, I can vote for down ballot candidates who are the opposite of "her." (nfm)

[oldandhappy]

45. Please please

vote down ballot and please vote for one of the names preprinted on the ballot for president. There will be a dozen probably depending on where you live. The names preprinted on the ballot will get counted the night of the election. Write in votes may or may not ever get counted but certainly not on that Tuesday night. We want DNC to notice the total votes.

[Maedhros]

21. Democrats don't want liberals and progressives in their Party.

Why don't we believe them when they say it?

[ReRe]

23. She IS a part of the "Establishment"...

... Bill, as you are/were. This Primary is just about over and soon the nomination will be made at the DNC Convention. It's either going to be Hillary or Bernie. All the speculation is about over. For all the world, it sounds like you're telling people who haven't voted in the Primary yet to not vote for Hillary and to vote for Bernie instead. Well I second that e-motion.

[sulphurdunn]

25. Time makes people better or worse.

The Clintons just get worse.

[840high]

27. .+1

[silvershadow]

28. Yep. nt

[silvershadow]

26. Well, that sure helps.

[spin]

29. I often wonder if Bill wants Hillary to win and even if he wanted her to run. (n/t)

[Trust Buster]

34. I think he was saying that you should vote or not vote if you wish but quit whining like children.

I agree. We tell you that here every day.

[ejbr]

38. Done n/t

[TwilightZone]

41. Fox News appreciates you sending them traffic, I'm sure.

[oldandhappy]

43. every speech every rally every day Sanders speaks against Trump

I watch the live streams. He ALWAYS says Trump will not be president.

[passiveporcupine]

47. He actually said "Don't vote for her"

But that's pretty much what he was saying...if she wins the nomination, just "Don't vote" period. In other words that he is suggesting people just stay home and don't be involved in the whole process. And that should be enough to piss off a whole lot of people.

Our youth (30 and under) are engaged in the political process in a way they have never been before, and as it was discussed in a video I posted earlier today*, that is good for our country. The biggest problem we have in this country is voter apathy, and the more voters we can encourage to vote and stay involved in the process, the more we can actually get done in the name of "progressive change".

So Bill, you are not a smart man if you are really saying this. Not smart at all.

*Two video clips here about a book called "People Get Ready", which should be a must read for any progressive democrat. It's an interview of the two authors of the book (Robert McChesney and John Nichols), on The Real News.

[Feeling the Bern]

48. No problems there, Billy boy. I will stay home. And it will because you told me that you

and your wife didn't need me at all to win.

[cantbeserious]

52. Bubba - Bubba - Under The Bus with You - NOW bANNED At DU

eom

[peace13]

57. Dear Bill, I didn't need your permission not to vote for Hillary.

I will say that if you were my husband I would have kindly told you to keep your mouth shut ....period. Sush..., no talking. You are not helping. PS, if Hillary wins, you do know that the Oval Office is hers, right?

[floppyboo]

67. with the risk of repeating myself - something is not right with Bill.

Why is he allowed to have a stage? Nothing could be worse for SOS Clinton. Nothing. Even if he's buddies (or because he is buddies?) with Trump and Kissinger.

[appalachiablue]

72. Loud and clear.

[MrMickeysMom]

73. Hey, that's pretty much what he said... "Don't vote for her" if you feel this way...

Well...