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doc03

(35,325 posts)
2. Why the hell go to school or ever get a job if you can sit on
Tue May 31, 2016, 07:58 PM
May 2016

your ass and get paid. That is the most ridiculous idea I ever heard, that really worked out in the USSR didn't it.

zalinda

(5,621 posts)
12. It may be for you, but not for everyone
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 12:18 AM
Jun 2016

There will always be those who don't want to work, and we always complain about them when we come up against them for doing a shitty job. There are others though, the vast majority that like to be productive, and you can tell because they are a pleasure to work with.

People have hobbies and make things, for them it is pleasure. When you see someone knitting a pair of socks, it's not because they can do it cheaper than what they can buy at the store (usually it's much, much more expensive), it's because they like to be productive and give something to another person.

Have you ever noticed how many people volunteer their time? They are not getting paid, they do it because it's nice to feel useful.

People will work because some people want the BMW rather than the Ford Focus. Or maybe they like to go on vacation. Or maybe they like designer clothes. Or maybe they would like nicer furniture. Or maybe they want a swimming pool.

With a basic income, you would have to live simply, but you would be able to live. You could also get yourself back up on your feet without fearing that you have too much money and your benefits would be cut. You could save to get a nicer car or a different apartment, which is not possible under current benefit rules.

People would also be free to create. Who knows what great artist is being suppressed by having to work a 9 to 5. Or what great inventor could create if they could rid themselves of mundane task of keeping a roof over their heads.

The possibilities are endless.

Z

tclambert

(11,085 posts)
8. The problem is we may have to go to some form of this as mechanization takes over all the jobs.
Tue May 31, 2016, 10:58 PM
May 2016

Auto plants now employ more industrial robots than people. ATMs replace human tellers. Self-serve checkouts and gasoline pumps have replaced many humans. IBM's Watson is learning how to do medical diagnosis. Roombas vacuum the floors. Pretty soon they will program robots to stock store shelves.

When mechanization reaches the culminating point of doing everything, how will people make a living? Will it be a paradise in which we all live in idle luxury provided by the machines? Or will it devolve into some horrible dystopia? The way the terminators can win is to provide for the humans generously for a generation or two, and just wait for us to forget how to grow corn.

At any rate, the penultimate achievement of the industrial revolution will be the destruction of people working for a living.

DAngelo136

(265 posts)
13. So let me get this straight...
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 06:22 AM
Jun 2016

You believe that someone who just "sits on his ass and gets paid" is a stupid idea?
So tell me what the Walton family has done to earn the millions of dollars of income they get from the labors of other people?

Are you trying to say that a guaranteed income is bad when it involves ordinary citizens, but have no problem when the same concept is used for the wealthy? Isn't shareholding the backbone of capitalism? You decry someone for getting a check from our collective labor but remain silent when someone gets a dividend check which is basically the same thing?
We saw the same thing in Alaska under then Gov. Palin when Alaska citizens received a dividend check for the profits of the oil pipeline. Where was your outrage then?

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
3. We need to do this soon
Tue May 31, 2016, 08:55 PM
May 2016

The private sector doesn't want to hire or pay people enough to live on. UBI makes it so they no longer have to. Milton Friedman was a fan because it removed the need for a minimum wage- but then put pressure on employers to pay what the job was worth because no one had to take it.

I'm a fan because there is no reason for any of us to be in poverty, other than general sadism. Remove poverty, and a whole boatload of other problems would disappear.

Equinox Moon

(6,344 posts)
5. I wonder about people profiting from our natural resources?
Tue May 31, 2016, 09:27 PM
May 2016

Natural resources are a gift from the earth. So for people to harvest, say, fossil oil/gas, the money should belong to all of us. The labor to harvest, process, and distribute would go to those persons doing that work. But for people to become billionaires from a "product" that belongs to all of us, is ridiculous. I think it should be "profit" for everyone that lives in the country it is harvested from.

Basic pay for all from a collective natural resource.

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
7. And hopefully, those natural resources will shift to being entirely renewable and low impact
Tue May 31, 2016, 10:32 PM
May 2016

The Sun is there for all of us.

tclambert

(11,085 posts)
9. Hmm. Someone must come up with a way of turning sunshine into a saleable product.
Tue May 31, 2016, 11:04 PM
May 2016

I remember thinking bottled water was a really dumb idea. Then I moved to a locale that depended on wells with very hard water. Surely there must be some way to buy and sell sunshine rights.

Equinox Moon

(6,344 posts)
11. They have, its called Solar Power
Tue May 31, 2016, 11:31 PM
May 2016

And... I heard that our sociopath congress made a law that the United States made claim to outer space. "We call dibs".
This really happened!

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