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ciaobaby

(1,000 posts)
3. HA ! I'd say Nina schooled Alisyn
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 12:47 PM
Jun 2016

She obviously does not understand exactly when Super Delegates vote.
Can we all just get along until the convention - what is the point of all this "Bernie needs to get out" business.
If they are all so certain Hillary has this wrapped up then they really should find something else to talk about.
And I would love to see the tone change to create the much talked about "unity".

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
4. Nina Turner is right. It will take the super delegates to decide the nomination at the convention.
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 12:51 PM
Jun 2016

Hillary has a lot problems. Anything can happen. Bernie needs to stay in the race until the election is over in November. That is, he should not concede until after the November election.,

The Republicans will attempt to utterly destroy Hillary is she is the nominee. And I cannot predict that she will be able to deal with it. I do not know that.

I do know that Bernie has dealt with terrible negative advertising on the part of Republicans against him. Read his book and find out about Bernie's past elections.

maddiemom

(5,106 posts)
5. Oh, Hillary WILL deal with the Republicans.
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 01:07 PM
Jun 2016

I supported Bernie in our state's primary, but Hillary is one cool customer. Trump or Hillary--just who do you see melting down?

Robbins

(5,066 posts)
7. yeah she will deal with them
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 01:21 PM
Jun 2016

by signing republican bills if elected after getting support of koch brothers,murdock and bush and cruz donors over trump.

She is most right wing democrat ever who gets pressed by neocons and chamber of commance types.

ellennelle

(614 posts)
9. both
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 01:43 PM
Jun 2016

the footage of her screaming at the woman from greenpeace was not pretty, and not at all presidential. sadly, the woman is capable of some very disturbing reactions to events (e.g., the cackle when questioned about the goldman transcripts, her bizarre and insensitive response to gadaffi's death, lying and then doubling down about the "under fire" story, etc.), including benghazi, where her very cool (agreed) performance will only be interpreted by the trumpsters as arrogance.

she did do right well under the benghazi interrogation, but the questioners and questions were at least within a modicum of semblance to logical, they had to at least hue near factual, and she had the dems there to keep things somewhat civil.

what folks keep forgetting is trump is not at all logical. no amount of logic or good sense will work in debates with him whatsoever. his base will eat up his insanely misogynist and RWN conspiratorial attacks, and don't care if she refutes them 'handily.' remember? they don't care about facts or logic,. and of course, neither does trump. they all just see her as an arrogant snob.

all this being, imho, yet more reason bernie is the better GE candidate. so, on that, thx so much for voting for him!!

ellennelle

(614 posts)
6. yeah, what nina said
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 01:20 PM
Jun 2016

seriously; nina's explication of the facts in fact schooled camerota, not the other way 'round as you suggest.

i agree with the responders here, and will only add that, ferchrissake, how old were you 8 years ago? do you not recall that hillary did not even concede to obama until 4 days after the CA primary.

and don't wag that trump boogeyman in response; we were facing sarah palin at that point, not to mention the legendary PUMAs.

so may i humbly suggest that hillary and all her camp just respectfully and honestly chill and let this democratic process (well, ostensibly) play itself out democratically? that would include allowing the citizenry to actually vote unencumbered by the bullying and propaganda. and that might even include some sensitivity to how much harder these ill-informed spasms make it for those targeted by said propaganda and bullying to even consider getting behind such a bullying and propagandizing candidate come november?

or, should we interpret this kind of schoolyard "see, see, we're right you're wrong, now get in line" loss of perspective as a clear sign of panic?

Quixote1818

(28,930 posts)
8. Why is this so hard? The fucking Super Delegates DON'T vote until the convention
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 01:36 PM
Jun 2016

so NO ONE will have won anything officially until AFTER they have voted. So CNN should shut the fuck up and let the system play out. Anything can happen between now and the convention. Once the Super Delegates have actually voted and Clinton is ahead then yes, it will be time for Sanders to concede.

stopbush

(24,396 posts)
12. The pledged delegates aren't bound to vote for the candidate they represent either.
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 04:52 PM
Jun 2016

Under the Democratic Party’s Rules, pledged delegates are not legally “bound” or required to vote according to their presidential preference on the first ballot at the Convention. Rather, these delegates are, pledged “in all good conscience [to] reflect the sentiments of those who elected them.” [Rule 12.J]

So in truth, NO delegate is bound to vote a certain way on the first ballot. It makes no sense to single out the super delegates when the pledged delegates have the same autonomy.

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