Even MSNBC, Clinton a Flawed Candidate, Indictment Pending: LEE CAMP 'Redacted Tonite'

[appalachiablue]

Even MSNBC seems to losing faith in their candidate Hillary Clinton. They have actively pushed to make sure she would be the Democratic nominee, yet now even Chuck Todd says Hillary could not even be confirmed as ATTORNEY GENERAL because of her pending indictments. Yet, for some reason they're still scared to say Hillary is lying to us. Pub. June 3.

[Norman Conch Quest]

1. If not Hillary, Biden

Do you really think the DNC is going to give the nomination to Sanders, who 1) is not even a member of the party, and 2) has 3 million less votes BY THE PEOPLE than the Establishment's chosen candidate? Get real already!

[appalachiablue]

2. So the DNC will 'give' the nomination? An interesting claim. Stay around, learn.

[valerief]

47. Almost like our votes don't matter, isn't it? nt

[appalachiablue]

52. Why bother with voting and primaries, democracy's overrated. The corrupt message..

[avaistheone1]

65. This kind of corruption and arrogance exercised by the DNC is why so many people do not vote.

[appalachiablue]

121. Yep, and they certainly seem Not to care if people vote. A very bad sign for democracy,

and great for oligarchs.

[appalachiablue]

73. Straight from MSNBC, CNN, CBS -

Mika Brzezinski: On 'It was allowed, it was allowed': "It feels like Hillary Clinton is lying straight out."

Andrea Mitchell: "I do not see this as anything, but devastating!"

Chuck Todd: "After this, I don't think she could get confirmed for Attorney General."

[SouthernDemLinda]

104. Democratic party decides its nominee in a massively undemocratic way.

www.theguardian.com

Many people on Twitter expressed surprise that Hillary Clinton basically walked away with the same amount of total delegates as Bernie Sanders after the New Hampshire primary on Tuesday night, despite the decisive 20-plus-point rout by Sanders.

It highlights the longstanding but little-discussed “superdelegate” system that could play a huge role in who wins the Democratic nomination this year. It turns out, the Democratic party decides its nominee in a massively undemocratic way – and is a ticking time bomb for the party and its voter base if Sanders keeps winning.

The Democratic party’s nomination will ultimately be decided by more than 4,700 delegates at its nominating convention in the summer. Most of those delegates are allocated based on votes in each state’s primary or caucus. However, the party also assigns what are known as “superdelegates” – 700 or so people who aren’t elected by anyone during the primary process and are free to vote any way they want at the convention. They are made up of members of Congress and members of the Democratic National Committee – which is made up of much of the establishment that Sanders is implicitly running against.

According to University of Georgia lecturer Josh Putnam, superdelegates exist solely to allow DNC elites to better control who ultimately becomes their nominee. “The reason superdelegates came into being in the interim period between the 1980 and 1984 elections was to allow the party establishment an increased voice in the nomination process,” he wrote on his blog in 2009.

While they only make up about one-sixth of the total delegates, they are more than enough to swing the election either way – even if a candidate clearly wins a majority of votes and regular delegates during the primary season.

In other words, it could make the primary elections meaningless. Bernie could end up decisively winning the popular vote but still have the nomination stripped away from him at this summer’s convention.

[Geronimoe]

3. Bernie already has 46% support of the party

and it isn't over yet.

When Biden ran as presidential candidate he got about 3% in the polls and dropped out early.

[Andy823]

10. Not really

Most of Bernie's voters were independents, and even some cross over republicans that want to cause problems, they were NOT 46% of the Democratic party.

[Akamai]

15. Well, the "Hastert Rule" in the house says that only the majority of the majority party

will decide on the actions to be brought forth from the Speaker of the House, now Paul Ryan.

I want more than just the Dems to vote for our presidential pick. Giving independents an opportunity to vote -- as Bernie is doing -- is a good way to bring younger and independent voters to our side.

Go Bernie!

[larkrake]

31. you are so desperate

[MisterFred]

46. GASP! You mean there's a danger of expanding the party? The HORROR! nt

[zeemike]

106. And in most cases it is not a matter of expanding the party

It it is just getting back those who were lost.
The party has been declining steadily sense the 80s. And in the last 8 years we have lost both houses and many state governments under the leadership of DWS.

We would do well just to get back the ones we lost.

[KPN]

60. Most? So what's your definition of a democrat?

They are not like us, so screw 'em and what they think. Is that it?

[George II]

17. No he doesn't. First, he has only 44% of the vote so far, and that vote count includes...

...Democrats, republicans, and independents.

So the support of "the party" is probably less than 40%. He doesn't even have 46% of the pledged delegates, and he has barely 6% support of the superdelegates (also in "the party&quot and only 8% of the committed superdelegates.

[MisterFred]

48. Goodness Gracious, he might expand the party! Stop him, now! nt

[George II]

68. Well, if what we've seen around here is any indication, the talk is that once Sanders....

....doesn't get the nomination many of those who "expanded" the party will no longer be "in" the party.

And if you look at turnout this year, you'll see that it's actually DOWN from 2008 when about 36,000,000 people voted in the Democratic Primaries/caucuses.

So far this year, with only two relatively large states remaining (NJ and CA), turnout is only 23,000,000. You can be sure that 13,000,000 people won't be voting in the Tuesday primaries.

So where are all those people that have "expanded" the party?

[MisterFred]

99. *Shrug*

Ok, let me completely accept your premise. That changes things to... he won't disastrously shrink the party as bad.

Yay Clinton?

[pangaia]

55. It sounds to me like you do not have any idea what this campaign is even about.

[George II]

69. It appears to me you do not have any idea of what I have an idea about.

[SouthernDemLinda]

75. Hillary Is Not Ahead By 3 Million Votes!

Liberals Unite -
The 24-Hour News Magazine For Discerning Liberals.

samuel-warde.com/2016/05/hillary-not-ahead-3-million-votes/

Bernie Sanders · Election 2016 · Hillary Clinton

Hillary Is Not Ahead By 3 Million Votes And That’s Just Math
May 29, 2016 by Richard Zombeck

While the DNC, the Clinton campaign and the media like to say that Hillary is winning by huge numbers, the math tells a different story.

In the current primary race, we keep hearing that Hillary Clinton is ahead by 3 million votes. In fact, it’s all we hear at events and from the corporate media – that she has the lead in the popular vote and it’s a done deal. The number helps to legitimize Clinton’s campaign in the face of Sanders’ populist message.

Sanders may complain about how the system is rigged and speculate that Superdelegates aren't more loyal to their constituency, but Clinton has always been able to point out that she has the power of the popular vote.

In a recent article posted to the New York Daily News, by activist and writer Shaun King made an interesting point that could change the way we view the entire Democratic primary race. What King revealed in his groundbreaking article is that the 3 million vote advantage Clinton holds is a lie.

According to King, primary races don’t just include voters going out and casting a ballot. Instead, many states hold caucuses in which a group of representatives vouch for their candidate. The candidate with the most
representatives in the room wins in that district, and the candidate who wins the most districts is the winner of the state.

What happens in these cases is that individual votes are not gathered, therefore no votes go to the winning candidate.

Bernie Sanders has tended to win most caucusing states. Though Sanders may take more than 70 percent of the caucus vote, these numbers don’t translate to individual votes — they add nothing to the overall count. So, states with millions of Sanders supporters are not counted among the millions in competition with Clinton’s big numbers as a result of this system.

For instance, @BernieSanders won 81% in Alaska.
Not a single of those votes are included in the popular vote tallies.

— Shaun King (@ShaunKing) May 19, 2016

Washington State has 7.2 million people. @BernieSanders won 71% of the votes. NONE of those votes count in the "popular vote totals".

— Shaun King (@ShaunKing) May 19, 2016

Let’s agree that this is not about Bernie or Hillary or who’s side I’m on. Let’s agree that this is about simple facts and the truth. We don’t need to get into who would make the better president or who’s more qualified; who should step down because they’re losing or are in the middle of an email scandal or because you simply don’t like them. Let’s worry more about being lied to – or at the very least misled – by a party that’s supposed to be representing us, the voter. The truth is it’s just a small portion of the population making up the demographic.

[George II]

77. Analysts have estimated the "popular" vote in caucus states and added that....

....into the popular votes of both candidates, and concluded that the difference is 3 million. Whether it's 3.1 or 2.9, it's a significant difference.

[SouthernDemLinda]

95. This is a lie that should not be accepted, tolerated or allowed to persist.

HUFFPOST POLOTICS

THE BLOG

Debunking Hillary’s Specious “Winning the Popular Vote” Claim

05/16/2016 03:21 pm ET | Updated May 23, 2016

Rob Kall Host, Bottom-up Radio Show WNJC 1360, publisher, OpEdNews.com positivepsychology.net and Storycon.org

Originally published at OpEdNews.com

The claim that Hillary is winning the popular vote is one of the most deceptive, specious claims the Hillary Clinton campaign and her surrogates are making. The mainstream media is echoing and giving a total pass on this egregiously dishonest claim.

This is very important for several reasons.
1- Superdelegates are arguing that they are, by supporting Hillary, representing the majority of voters. The truth is that this not true.

2- The mainstream media repeat the “Hillary is winning the popular vote” mantra, or allow Hillary and her surrogates to make the specious claim many many times every day.
Actually, the claim is an affront to the truth, based on the numbers.

The truth is that caucus states don’t have a popular vote. That doesn’t make their vote less important. It just changes how the people of that state choose to make the decision on who to select in the primary.

Most people making claims about Hillary’s popular vote advantage talk about her having around a three million vote lead. I went to the 2016 Democratic Popular Vote page on RealClearPolitics. The page, not including West Virginia, shows Hillary with a 3,135,834 lead.

Then I took a list of the caucus states that Bernie has won, and he’s won almost all of them.

I dug up 2015 census data on the populations of those states and then pulled from Real Clear Politics, the total votes and the winning spread for Sanders in the caucus states. The numbers are below. First observation— for states totaling roughly 35 million people, some which Bernie won by 70%, he is given a total spread advantage of 160,000 votes. That’s outrageous.

Caucus states:

2015 populations according to wikipedia

State Population)Spread/inSanders/favor)totalvotesforstate
in millions
Alaska .7 0
Colorado 5.5 23/121
Hawaii 1.4 13/34
Idaho 1.7 14/24
Kansas 2.9 14/39
Nevada 2.9 0
Maine 1.3 0
Minnesota 5.5 45/192
Nebraska 1.9 5/33
Utah 3.0 46/77
Wyoming 0.6 32 not thousand /280 not thousand
Washington 7.2 0
34.6 million 160,000/520,000

Take a close look at Washington state, which Bernie won with 72.7% of the votes. RealClearPolitics gives him zero votes, with its 7.2 million population.

The same goes for Maine, where Bernie had a 29% spread and Alaska where he won over 81% of the vote. Zero. Zilch. Nada. In Wyoming, Bernie is given 32 votes, not 32,000. He is given 32 votes.

It’s ridiculous. But it’s not ridiculous that Clinton claims she has a three million popular vote lead. It’s an intentional, obscenely misleading, dishonest claim.

When a super delegate claims he or she is representing the will of the majority, basing it on the three million lead popular vote, it’s based on a lie. Challenge that superdelegate.

When a journalist on a news network allows Hillary Clinton, her campaign manager or any of her many surrogates, employed by the networks or independent, to matter-of-factly state that Hillary has a popular vote lead, without challenging that claim, they are engaging in unethical, journalistic malpractice, or, framed another way, they are promoting the Hillary Clinton campaign.

If you observe the MSM engaging in this practice, call them on it. Tweet or share on Facebook the name of the “journalist” who gave the “pass.” Include the network’s twitter address and the journalist’s twitter @address. Make a stink about this.

This is a lie that should not be accepted, tolerated or allowed to persist.

This is a follow-up to my article, published April 1, 2016, Hillary’s Disingenuous Claim That She’s Won 2.5 Million More Votes is Bogus. Here’s why
Follow Rob Kall on Twitter: www.twitter.com/robkall

[KPN]

97. Thatis a bogus estimate.

Bernie would have beaten Hillary by at least 600,000 and perhaps up to 1 million votes in Washington alone had that State gone to the polls rather than caucus. I've seen the estimates that Hillary supporting sites have published -- they underestimate and misrepresent voter turnout intentionally, and discount Independent voters for closed primary States.

[ejbr]

6. How many less votes does Biden have? n/t

[SheilaT]

7. Do you really think the DNC will persuade

all the Sanders delegates to meekly vote for Biden? How many million fewer votes than Sanders does Biden have? Maybe you need to get real already.

Or even if they pull that off, do you think he'd get elected in November? If Hillary is out, Sanders should be the nominee. Period.

Shoving Joe Biden down our throats is not a winning strategy.

[djean111]

18. Do you really think Biden is any more palatable to Bernie's supporters than Hillary is?

He is also a corporate tool. Just seems like he would be more fun to have a beer with. We have already been down that road.

[Cassiopeia]

85. So it would be fair to give it to Biden

who has received zero votes?

That's some logic you've got there.

[40RatRod]

4. I'm not aware of any "pending" indictments.

Although it is sad when a fellow "democrat" hopes there is.

[Norman Conch Quest]

5. That's the Thing

Sanders isn't a Democrat.

[SheilaT]

8. He's been running as one.

People need to get over the crap that he's not a Democrat.

[elleng]

41. Really!

After all, what does it take to 'be' a Democrat?

[SunSeeker]

44. Sanders bashed the Democratic Party his whole life, only joining it to use it for his Pres. run.

[KPN]

72. Oh, so now purity is important to you ....

though it's unrealistic, idealistic, immature, unicorn and rainbows garbage when it comes to progressivism.

Heresy that he should put ideals and principles ahead of associations. Nevermind that both parties have nominated members of other parties as their presidential candidate in the past, most recently Ike in 1952.

Nevermind that the Democratic Party and caucus has embraced Bernie for more than 20 years now in DC.

Nevermind that Bernie has voted with the Democratic Party more often than most Democratic Congresspeople over his career (95% of his votes have been with the Party as compared to 80% for the average Democrat).

Nevermind that the Democratic Party has officially supported Bernie over Democratic opponents multiple times in past Congressional campaigns.

No, disregard, ignore, disrespect him because he has been courageous enough to criticize the system, and establishment politics ... and nevermind that his political views more closely mirror traditional Democratic Party principles, values and ideals than almost all "pure Democrats".

So short-sighted and small.

[elleng]

80. Thanks for saying this,

'Heresy that he should put ideals and principles ahead of associations . . . No, disregard, ignore, disrespect him because he has been courageous enough to criticize the system, and establishment politics ... and nevermind that his political views more closely mirror traditional Democratic Party principles, values and ideals than almost all "pure Democrats". '

[SunSeeker]

83. No, Democrats have never demanded purity, unlike Sanders. nt

[KPN]

94. Then get off the Bernie's not a democrat meme.

All you want to do is tear him down, despite the fact that he's true to the basic tenets that the Democratic Party has always espoused and that most of us have always voted for (me, for the 44 years I've been a "loyal" Democrat).

I'm from New England, and have known of and followed him for probably 20 years, always wishing that he would join and help retuirn thew Democratic Party to what it basically stands for.
You?

[SunSeeker]

110. Why is he running for reelection as an Independent for his Senate seat?

We've got a big tent, so we expect you to be in the tent.

[SouthernDemLinda]

109. We can't fix what we can't criticize!

We have "freedom of speech" to defend our right to criticize. Freedom of speech is vitally important to a democratic society and being able to criticize is at the core of this freedom. "We the people" are free to criticize political parties, elected officials, representatives etc.

[SunSeeker]

112. You have freedom of speech and so do I. nt

[bvar22]

92. All Arlen Specter had to do was change the letter after his name from "R" to "D",

and he got the full support of the Democratic Party to run in the Pennsylvania.
Did you complain and whine about Arlen Specter?

Bernie has a "D" after his name,
but, most importantly, he is and has been more of a Big D Democrat than most of the corporate tools sitting in "D" seats in our Congress.

[elleng]

93. Exactly!

Wish I'd recalled the specter game. As you say, Senator Sanders 'is and has been more of a Big D Democrat than most of the corporate tools sitting in "D" seats in our Congress.' They'll do whatever they can to see to it that he doesn't succeed.

[pangaia]

57. The guy has been here one day.

Give him a chance to open his email and get the talking points down better.

[Duval]

11. bs, he IS a Democrat.

And when he was an Independent, he caucused with the Democrats. He is not a Third Way Dem, and offers us a chance to get back to our core values. Really, Hillary is under investigation, be it emails or the Clinton Foundation.

[scottie55]

12. Sanders Is Not A Corporate Sellout Thus Not A Democrat Right?

Bernie is more a REAL Roosevelt Democrat than almost all others.

Today's MODERN Democrats mostly choose to "take the money" and help the filthy rich while still trying to care about the poor where they can without upsetting their masters. They are not evil, but cashing in is easier when you have done all the "helping" your whole career.

It's modern politics. The type we NEED TO CHANGE. Of course the "party" wants nothing to change.......

No way they will let Bernie take control and actually have the filthy rich, and the corporations they own pay their fair share.

Ain't gonna happen, and it isn't all Republicans fault.

If Democrats fought for Working Americans as hard as Republicans fight for the 1% we wouldn't have Republicans......

I am not a Democrat.

I am what Democrats should be.

True Progressives.

[larkrake]

32. one note voices here

its getting comical here

[elleng]

42. Right

[billhicks76]

23. He's Running As One

His alternative would've been running as an independent. Careful what you wish for. If he did that the Democrat would lose.

[Stryder]

76. I was wondering

when someone was going to point that out.
His detractors should be thanking him for not running
3rd party. What's the term? Spoiler? He might not have won the GE
but no way Hills pulls it out. So who would that make the next Pres?

[jmowreader]

82. He can't run as an independent now because he doesn't have time to get on the ballot

Independents have to petition their way to ballot access, and at least one major state - Texas - has already closed the petition window. Several states also have sore-loser laws - if you lose a primary election you're not allowed to become a third-party/no-party spoiler candidate.

[billhicks76]

89. Duh...We Weren't Talking About Now

He made a conscious choice to in as a Democrat and all he gets are smug, conceited insults from Hillary supporters who are so self-entitled they are actually angry there was an actual election instead of a coronation. Mind boggling. The public doesn't care about deals Obama made with her behind closed doors in 2008. He obviously didn't want her as VP for whatever reason. Maybe he feared the military industrial complex. At any rate, all the complainers should let the voting take its normal course. Bernie gave you a gift running as a Democrat. And if your afraid of party unity not happening quick enough then you're already admitting you have a flawed candidate that's in trouble. If you can't easily beat the worst candidate in history, Mr Trump, then something is seriously wrong with you...and by you I mean Hillary Clinton.

[Gore1FL]

43. He has been since 2015

Get over your purity tests.

[MisterFred]

49. Let's take what you say as true.

Lots of people trust him over the party itself. The party should be worried about that. Unless the party has stopped giving a shit.

[SouthernDemLinda]

87. Who may not be elected dog catcher?

www.counterpunch.org/.../hillary-clinton-and-the-end-of-t...

CounterPunch

Telling Facts and Naming Names
Since 1993

May 6, 2016

Hillary Clinton and the End of the Democratic Party

by Rob Urie


Friends with Benefits

Liberal incredulity at Charles Koch’s (Koch Bros.) recent (soft) endorsement of Hillary Clinton — assertions that is was either a non-sequitur or a ploy to discredit her, was to dismiss the endorsement without answering the question: what about Mrs. Clinton’s policies, or those of any other establishment Democrat for that matter, could inheritance babies, oil and gas industry magnates and long-term supporters of the radical Right like Mr. Koch possibly object to? Mr. Koch was simply saying out loud what anyone paying attention to American politics in recent decades already knows: the Democratic Party is the Party of Wall Street and of corporate America.

To the political inconvenience of said establishment Democrats, including Mrs. Clinton, Mr. Koch’s endorsement has content behind it. His charge (link above) is that establishment Democrats have the softer touch needed in present circumstance to sell Conservative policies like deregulation of industry and fiscal austerity. As Bill Clinton, whose policies Mr. Koch preferred to those of George W. Bush, and Barack Obama have demonstrated— it is socially liberal Democrats who have been the better proponents of Wall Street’s neo-capitalist takeover precisely because they accomplish with stealth economic policies what Republicans attempt more straightforwardly through politics.

In support of Mr. Koch’s assertions are secret documents leaked last week by Greenpeace on the TTIP (Trans-Atlantic Trade and Investment Partnership) ‘trade’ agreement that illustrate the Democrat’s strategy of publicly supporting environmental and labor regulations while undermining them through ‘trade’ deals that give the power to regulate to multi-national corporations. The mechanisms for doing so, ISDS (Investor State Dispute Settlement) provisions and their variants in these ‘trade’ agreements, limit state regulations in the public interest by forcing states to pay corporations for phantom ‘lost profits’ due to regulation. That Charles Koch personally benefits from these policies while Democratic Party loyalists pay for them illustrates who Democrats really answer to.

Weakened at Bernie’s

The Democratic Party’s efforts to install Mrs. Clinton as its nominee would be premature, bordering on pathological, had Bernie Sanders not signaled his willingness to bow out based on Mrs. Clinton’s demonstrated ability to garner less than 9% of the eligible votes (read on). Registered Democrats represent 31% of registered voters and 17% of eligible voters. Bernie Sanders has the support of approximately 50% of registered Democrats which leaves support for Hillary Clinton at 16% of registered voters and less than 9% of eligible voters (54% of eligible voters voted in the 2012 election). Contrary to the assertions of Democratic Party functionaries, it isn’t at all clear at this stage that Mrs. Clinton could be elected dog catcher, let alone President.

[Duval]

13. Who "hopes" there is?

We already know she is in trouble.

[Andy823]

14. A lot of those who hope there is an indictment

Here on DU are NOT Democrats, and never have been. We have a lot of right wing trolls, and a lot of plain trouble makers here, and some have been here for years, while the vast majority have flooded in in the last year to help with the "scorched earth" tactics of Karl
Rove, and probably some Trump trolls also. The ones who have to post how they would NEVER vote for Hillary every single day, are pretty obvious in my opinion.

[Fuddnik]

22. I haven't seen anyone here "hope" for an indictment.

Some of us can glimpse the cold, hard reality on occasion.

And just for the record, I was on Kerry's presidential campaign staff, have been a DEMOCRATIC congressional candidate. And I think odds are better than 50-50 she'll get indicted.

Notice, I didn't say "hope".

[billhicks76]

25. My Problem With Hillary Is Her Allegiance To Bush

So please stop telling us who is and who isn't a real democrat. The Clintons sold out to Bush Sr's allies long ago.

[appalachiablue]

33. It's quite disturbing I agree.

[billhicks76]

35. Clinton Loves George Bush

We don't need that crap.

[appalachiablue]

36. You know it, Texas and Arkansas best buds..

[SouthernDemLinda]

111. Barry Seal to the Bush family and the Medellin Cartel

www.rense.com/general12/levy.htm


Rense.com

The Chandra Levy Affair, Pt 2
By Sherman H. Skolnick
[e-mail]
www.skolnicksreport.com

8-20-1

An Excerpt:

In the late 1970s, Jeb Bush was installed as the head of the Venezuela unit of Texas Commerce Bank, a principal owner of which was his father, George Herbert Walker Bush. The bank unit reportedly became part of the money laundering of proceeds from the Colombia Medellin Drug Cartel co-founded by Carlos Lehder as a Bush Family business partner. The Drug Cartel was moreso headquartered in the U.S. than in Colombia. It was part of the whole CIA operation to the southern states of the United States, headquartered, in part, through an airport in western Arkansas, at Mena. The Elder Bush, his sons Jeb and George W., and Ollie North, and Bill Clinton, were all part of the operation. Guns were smuggled by CIA airflights to Central America with side-trips to Colombia to pick up huge shipments of cocaine which supported the Colombia economy moreso than coffee.

The tiny First National Bank of Mena, Arkansas, was purchased by the Riady family, ethnic Chinese tied to Bill Clinton and the Bush Family. The bank reportedly was a transmission point for the huge dope cash flow which went up to Garfield Ridge Trust & Savings Bank, Chicago. The Chicago bank for many years had as a principal stockholder Cong. Dan Rostenkowski. For years a Chairman of the Board of the Chicago bank was a reputed former U.S. Secret Service official, Dan Shannon.

Rostenkowski, called Rosty for short, was closely aligned with the Chicago markets, the next transmission point of the dope loot from Rosty's bank. That is, the Chicago Mercantile Exchange, the Chicago Board of Trade, and a sort of basement, step-sister operation called Chicago Board Options Exchange.

Rosty, as the long-time head of the tax-writing committee of Congress, got many "speech fees" and other benefits from the Chicago markets. He in turn pushed through almost private laws, favoring the Chicago markets with tax loopholes on straddles and hedging. So from Rosty's bank in Chicago the huge dope cash flow reportedly was transmitted to the Chicago markets and disguised as soybean and currency trading. Assisting this in all the years was international swindler Marc Rich tied to both the Bush Family and Bill and Hillary Clinton. [Visit our website for stories on Marc Rich.]

Rosty was eventually defrocked and sent to federal prison for defrauding the private bank of the U.S. Congress
The Medellin Drug Cartel operating through Mena and the Chicago bank and the Chicago markets, has other collaborators. On occasion when the huge shipments of Colombia dope somehow became an issue in Chicago's highly corrupt federal courts, the Drug Cartel had corrupt federal judges to aid them. One such has been Chicago Federal Appeals Judge Iliana D. Rovner [[phone]] Rovner has been part of the Jim Thompson gang of public office criminals. "Big Jim" formerly Illinois Governor has had Rovner as his legal advisor. In recent years he has been the head of the Winston & Strawn Chicago-based law firm octopus, with worldwide offices. Some years ago on our one-hour public access Cable TV Program, "Broadsides", we told how Winston & Strawn reportedly has an inner unit, walled off from the rest of the law firm, engaging not in lawfirm work but in dope cartel matters. Several employees of the firm after the show was aired confirmed the validity of our charges.

As in the historical example of 1876, the year 2000 election was corrupted in the Electoral College phase through FLORIDA. Cocaine money from the Medellin Cartel, with Carlos Lehder and his business partners the Bush family, was the principal corrupting force. Tens of millions of dope dollars were used to work a malign influence reportedly on DEMOCRAT officials in southern Florida, to have them stop the recounting of the ballots which would have put Gore over the top on the Electoral College vote. Gore was done in by corrupt members of his own party. In politics as a reality, can you talk publicly how your party's OWN KEY PEOPLE, by bribery, stabbed you in the back and helped the Bush Family steal the White House after also corrupting part of the U.S. Supreme Court [just like in 1876]?

The dope cartel loot used for these purposes was laundered for them by at least two Chicago-based commodity brokers funneling the dirty money through the Chicago markets. [The disguised accounts are known to some.]

You can see the tie-in to the Bush family. In the late 1970s, about the time just after the Elder Bush was the head of America's secret political police, the CIA; a major espionage agency operative, Barry Seal operated the airplanes to bring in dope from the Medellin Cartel, with the collaboration of the Bush family, Bill and Hillary Clinton, and Ollie North. The co-founders of the drug cartel were Carlos Lehder, originally from Germany, and Pablo Escobar and his two brothers. To control matters in later years, the Elder Bush arranged to have Pablo assassinated, disguised as an "arrest" situation. [For related details, see "Killing Pablo" by Mark Bowden, 2001.]

The links of Barry Seal to the Bush family and the Medellin Cartel is evident in the recent book, "Barry & 'the boys'---The CIA, The Mob, and America's Secret History" by Daniel Hopsicker.

[wildbilln864]

124. Isn't there a movie coming out soon about Barry Seal?

I think Tom Cruise is playing him. Mena is the title...

[pangaia]

59. OK I'll bite...

I would never vote for Hillary.
What does that tell you that is so obvious about me? I am a troll, a scorched earther?

[OnyxCollie]

19. Give up hope and accept Hillary!

That's a campaign slogan to run on.

[appalachiablue]

26. Stop!

[LiberalFighter]

9. The guy doing the video is nuts!

[appalachiablue]

21. Lee's political talents, humor and wit at their best tackling this serious unravelling story.

Lee Camp is the host and head writer of the popular comedy news TV show Redacted Tonight with Lee Camp on RT America. The show also features correspondents John F. O’Donnell, Carlos Delgado, Naomi Karavani, and Phillip Chang. Salon.com said, "The finest TV satire thus far this election season has come from the Nightly Show and Lee Camp on Redacted Tonight." The show has also won a 2016 Telly Award for their live stand-up comedy special in New York City.

George Carlin's daughter Kelly said Camp was one of only a handful keeping her father's torch lit. Camp is a former writer for The Onion and for Huffington Post Comedy. He created and starred in the viral YouTube show Moment of Clarity that was seen by millions, and he's performed stand-up comedy in a dozen countries and every state in the US. He has also been featured on Comedy Central, NBC, CNN, MSNBC, MTV, FOX & Showtime. Many know him from the viral clip of him on Fox News calling a “parade of propaganda and a festival of ignorance.”

[SunSeeker]

45. RT is Putin's propaganda network.

Used to be a time you could not cite RT on DU.

[MisterFred]

51. Yeah, but then they started allowing people to cite MSNBC, so why play favorites?

[Major Nikon]

67. Does MSNBC run anything remotely like this...

http://www.rt.com/news/change-climate-warming-corbyn/

http://www.rt.com/politics/climate-change-warming-moncktonthe/

http://www.cato.org/multimedia/video-highlights/patrick-j-michaels-discusses-climate-change-national-security-russia-today

http://www.infowars.com/rt-interviews-alex-jones-at-bilderberg-2012/

https://www.rt.com/business/interview-with-lyndon-larouche/

[MisterFred]

98. Yes

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/8243264/ns/msnbc-morning_joe/t/coverup-cause-autism/#.V1Sie_krK70

I could go on joining you in cherry-picking, but suffice it to say, the answer is yes.

[Major Nikon]

107. Somehow I don't think one appearance by JFK, Jr compares all that well to Alex Fucking Jones

...who was a regular on RT for years. I get that JFK, Jr is a few fries short of a happy meal, but at least he is left wing.

There's no need to cherry-pick the Putin news network. Cherry picking is more like when they are not airing highly slanted and batshit crazy garbage.

[MisterFred]

118. Regular watcher of RT are you?

I'm not. Stop watching bullshit TV news in general, including the U.S.-based bullshit.

[Major Nikon]

119. Sure, because getting your information from Putin is the gold standard of not-bullshit

[MisterFred]

120. You have been reading into what I'm writing.

Not actually reading what I'm writing. That uncomfortable moment when you realize the person you're talking to isn't actually listening, just putting words in your mouth and arguing with a fantasy.

[Major Nikon]

122. ...

[MisterFred]

123. Yeah, I'll let you play the role of Simpson in this one. nt

[MisterFred]

100. Oh hey, from the front page right now.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017381288

I'm going to go ahead with you put your foot in your mouth on this one.

[SCantiGOP]

16. That's it

I'm off DU till Wednesday. Won't have to see shit like this again.
Enjoy yourself delusionists.

[dawnie51]

20. I'm done until the primary is done....

this constant trolling by God knows whom, i.e. delusional Sanders supporters, or more probably, Rovian paid shills is just ridiculous. When the alternative is the idiot Trump, I have no interest is hearing about the foibles of ANYONE on the Democratic side.

[Fuddnik]

24. What's the hurry?

Maybe a nice long vacation would do you good.

[billhicks76]

28. Rove Likes Bernie More Than Clinton?

And Sanders supporters are delusional. They're are paid shills here like most sites. It's called online opinion management. They always support the more conservative view. Hardly applies to Bernie. They have been and are almost always military contractors or national security contractors as that's where the training began. They want a war candidate not a peacenik.

[Feeling the Bern]

39. Okay, Ms. Low Post Count. Brock has paid you well.

[asiliveandbreathe]

27. What? - Is everyone on Trumps payroll -

Talk about bite your nose to spite your face....

[NNadir]

29. One hopes that Republican talking points will vanish from this site on Tuesday. n/t

[Cryptoad]

30. Yall dot be too hard on the Bernie Shills

think of all the untold hours of labor they have spent taking GOP attacks on Hillary and converting them to look like Bernie Attack Ads...and they only a few days to get them all aired!

[MisterFred]

54. If only the GOP and Bernie people would stop lying!

We all know she's supported gay marriage for well over a decade.
We all know she's always been opposed to TPP and other deals that harm the environment & labor standards.
We all know she's fought for the strictest possible standards for Wall Street.

Oh wait. All those I wrote above are lies. Oh SHIT, I said the truth: all those things I wrote above are lies. Guess I repeated a GOP attack.

If it's come to the point where GOP attacks on our nominee are, you know, speaking the truth, well, we're in deep shit people.

[SouthernDemLinda]

114. You can't win a trolling war against people who don't need to be paid to troll!

Excerpts From:

www.latimes.com/.../la-na-clinton-digital-trolling-201...

Los Angeles Times

Be nice to Hillary Clinton online — or risk a confrontation with her super PAC

David Brock, once a prominent part of what Hillary Clinton described as a "vast right-wing conspiracy" to undermine her husband's presidency, is now a driving force in the effort to get her elected to the White House.
(Danny Johnston / Associated Press)

By Evan Halper

When the Internet’s legions of Hillary hecklers steal away to chat rooms and Facebook pages to vent grievances about Clinton, express revulsion toward Clinton and launch attacks on Clinton, they now may find themselves in a surprising place – confronted by a multimillion dollar super PAC working with Clinton.

Hillary Clinton's well-heeled backers have opened a new frontier in digital campaigning, one that seems to have been inspired by some of the Internet's worst instincts. Correct the Record, a super PAC coordinating with Clinton's campaign, is spending some $1 million to find and confront social media users who post unflattering messages about the Democratic front-runner.

In effect, the effort aims to spend a large sum of money to increase the amount of trolling that already exists online.

The plan comes as Clinton operatives grapple with the reality that her supporters just aren’t as engaged and aggressive online as are her detractors inside and outside the Democratic Party.

The lack of engagement is one of Clinton’s bigger tactical vulnerabilities, particularly when compared with rivals like Donald Trump, whose viral social media attacks are legion, and Sen. Bernie Sanders, who is backed by a passionate army of media-savvy millennials. etc.......

“It is meant to appear to be coming organically from people and their social media networks in a groundswell of activism, when in fact it is highly paid and highly tactical,” said Brian Donahue, chief executive of the consulting firm Craft Media/Digital.

“That is what the Clinton campaign has always been about," he said. "It runs the risk of being exactly what their opponents accuse them of being: a campaign that appears to be populist but is a smokescreen that is paid and brought to you by lifetime political operatives and high-level consultants.”

The task force designed to stop the spread of online misinformation and misogyny is the brainchild of David Brock, a Clinton confidant who once made a career of spreading such misinformation and misogynistic attacks against her and Bill Clinton. His critics say he kept his taste for dirty tricks when he switched sides to become one of the Clintons’ most valued operatives.

The mere mention of Correct the Record makes some critics seethe. Super PACs are typically prohibited from working in tandem with candidates, but Correct the Record is doing just that by exploiting a loophole in campaign finance law that it says permits such coordination with digital campaigns.

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“Clinton, herself, is saying we need campaign finance reform,” said Paul Ryan, deputy executive director of the Campaign Legal Center, an advocacy group. “Yet her lawyers are pushing the boundaries to get around campaign finance laws.”

Brock referred questions to Elizabeth Shappell, a spokesperson for the super PAC, who emailed a brief statement saying that Barrier Breakers, as the effort is labeled, "is only engaged in positive content, even when responding to offensive content, and is always identified" as Correct the Record, she wrote. The email also emphasized that Correct the Record is spending the million dollars in a way that it argues is legal under rules governing super PACs.

The reaction to the initiative from supporters of Sanders has been predictable – and it has not been to reconsider their vitriol toward the front-runner.

When actor Tim Robbins was confronted on Twitter after making the dubious assertion that election fraud is robbing Sanders of votes, he accused tweeters who challenged him of being paid shills for Brock. Within an hour, he had directed a variation of the same message at 88 different tweeters:

“Dear @CorrectRecord operatives, Thank you for following today’s talking points. Your check is in the mail. Signed, @davidbrockdc”

Those independent tweeters who challenged Robbins were not on Brock’s payroll. Correct the Record is not paying activists outside the organization to send messages, although it is arming them with instructions, talking points and postable infographics.

[cantbeserious]

34. When We Stand Together No Citizen Need Settle For The Lessor Of Two Corporate Evils - Go Bernie Go

eom

[840high]

37. Amen.

[Chicago1980]

38. Go where?

[Stryder]

78. 1600 pennsylvania avenue

[Chicago1980]

81. Not going to happen...

Had he won the nomination I'd have voted for him, but he's not going to win the nomination.

[Stryder]

88. Long odds, I'll grant you

But there's many a slip twixt cup and lip.
Anyway, I'll wait to see how the convention plays out.
Let's give Drumpf a bit more rope, the press is beginning
to turn.

[SouthernDemLinda]

115. Aesop Rock has also parodied "The Revolution Will Not Be Televised" in his song "Coma" from Labor Da

"If the revolution ain't gon' be televised, then, ****, I'll probably miss it."

[snot]

40. I'm not sure the words, "Bush lied," have ever passed their lips, either.

[elmac]

50. Seen a conservative and a progressive agree on Bill Maher the other night

that tis going to be a Trump landslide. Scary thought, the dumb generations Reagan.

[SunSeeker]

53. This video is on Putin's propaganda network, RT.

It misrepresents what MSNBC reported and repeats bullsit right wing talking points against Hillary. Putin (and his BFF Trump) would be pleased.

[chknltl]

56. Sanders has the support of 90% of. .

....DU. (Last 2 DU polls had Sanders ahead of Clinton by 90%....yeah, those 10%ers have been awfully noticeable.)

[geek tragedy]

58. 11 more days for people to get on board or get out of the way

Oh, and fuck Vladimir Putin and his propaganda outlet

[ish of the hammer]

63. anxious for war, are we? vote $hillary!

Russia has nukes and the U.S. is pushing missiles right up to their borders. were you alive during the Cuban Missile Crisis?
what did Putin ever do to the U.S. beside pull Obama's ass (and our's) out of the fire in Syria?
why are you pushing neocon propaganda?

[geek tragedy]

64. LMAO. Fuck Vladimir Putin nt

[ish of the hammer]

70. war is not a laughing matter.

[geek tragedy]

71. Vladdy has invaded two of his neighbors, and is bombing

civilians left and right in Syria, not to mention his wholesale slaughter of Chechens a decade or so back

Fuck Vladimir Putin

[ish of the hammer]

79. you sound like all the other right wingers. have a nice day!

[zeemike]

108. It is if you are invested in the arms industry.

You can laugh all the way to the bank.

Besides, only the little people fight and die in a war...

[ish of the hammer]

113. of course, you're right. But I was responding to the Putin stupidity. nukes are being pushed up

to the Russian border as we type. the Cuban Missile Crisis in reverse, so to speak. there are people on DU who think a
risk of nuclear war is acceptable. it's suspiciously like the run up to Iraq. Saddam = Hitler = Putin. it's all about who controls
the oil into the EU. the only good thing is that the fucking oligarchs will die too.

dont feel safe in this world no more
I dont wanna die in no nuclear war
I wanna sail away to a distant shore
And live like an apeman

[zeemike]

117. There are those with power fantasies.

That just want to see power used even if it means millions die and the world is destroyed.
And not all of them claim to be conservative...but all are sociopaths.

And the thing is with power fantasies is that they think that their power will save them and only the little people will die. It is a delusion that has played itself out through history.

Dogs of war and men of hate
With no cause, we don't discriminate
Discovery is to be disowned
Our currency is flesh and bone
Hell opened up and put on sale
Gather 'round and haggle
For hard cash, we will lie and deceive
Even our masters don't know the web we weave

One world, it's a battleground
One world, and we will smash it down
One world ... One world

Invisible transfers, long distance calls,
Hollow laughter in marble halls
Steps have been taken, a silent uproar
Has unleashed the dogs of war
You can't stop what has begun
Signed, sealed, they deliver oblivion
We all have a dark side, to say the least
And dealing in death is the nature of the beast

[Peace Patriot]

61. "If it weren't for Trump...," Clinton couldn't sell corpo-militarism to us as a good thing...

...as a 'progressive' thing, as a 'liberal' thing, and not a Bush thing.

Useful guy, Trump.

[zentrum]

62. The emails aren't just

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.....a bureaucratic detail. They matter for four reasons.

1. The State Department is not the private fiefdom of the Secretary.This rule breaking shows a fundamental disregard for her relationship to the government, our place in the world and her own sense of entitlement. One is reminded of the old admonition that power corrupts.

2. The Democratic workings of our Government mean nothing if there are not records of our behavior in foreign affairs. Historians and future SOS's and the President himself need to know exactly what is the record of events and decisions. What if, for example. we had no way to examine the real history of the Viet Nam war and McNamara's role in it? These records do not belong to her. They belong to us. That's what the Freedom of Information Act is all about.

3. Her simultaneous connection to the Clinton Foundation raises great suspicion. It forces the question---was the SOS hiding anything when it came to a possible intersection of the Foundation power and SOS power. This would be criminal.

4. Our national security was endangered. Did she care? Did she know it was a risk and choose her own agendas over even that?

It's not just a detail.

[appalachiablue]

66. She's responsible for these serious actions and we're the ones who will suffer

if she's nominated and then beaten by Trump. And Biden is not going to work either. We are in a real dilemma caused by a highly dysfunctional political system that too few Americans realize.

[Vinca]

84. Excellent post.

It seems she chose convenience over what should have been common sense.

[zentrum]

90. And more.

The lost 33,000 emails may contain her ardent support for the TPP. We need to know that.
Or policies benefiting the Clinton Foundation.
Or Bill Clinton dealings—like negotiating for his corporate speeches.

Its actually could be a mess.

Not to mention how the recipients of problematic emails have a possible threat they can hold over her head.

There cannot be this kind of secrecy for public officials.

I'm pretty sure she'll skate however.

But still, could enter office under this cloud, making her be in defensive, anti-scandal mode and involved in restoring the damn Clinton reputation instead of working solely for us. It's the Clinton Syndrome for the whole country.

[Vinca]

91. I saw a Trump super pac commercial that is supposed to go nationwide tomorrow.

It's a splicing of clips from Bill apologizing, denying and making excuses and Hillary apologizing, denying and making excuses. I'm afraid it's going to make a serious impact because it's the epitome of Clinton Syndrome.

[zentrum]

96. I was amazed

….when she ran again. I thought she'd had her fill of Clinton Syndrome.

But when she declared I "knew" that on some level she relishes the fight and doesn't suffer from the Syndrome as the country does. She derives meaning from it.

God I'm sick of The Dynasties.

[KPN]

74. Hillary is fatally flawed.

If she wins the nomination and GE, we are doomed to non-stop Congressional committee investigations/hearings/impeachment machinations -- and even more gridlock than what we've had the past 8 years.

And the Democratic Party establishment is so self-possessed, so self-enamored with itself, and so cravingly power hungry they don't see it, and if they did, they don't care. It's about them, not us.

[apcalc]

101. Because she isn't lying. DUH.

[appalachiablue]

103. In May the Inspector General's Office of the State Dept. issued a report

that Clinton violated the Federal Records Act by not turning over all emails before leaving office and she never requested or received approval to use her personal account. Clinton has maintained all along that it was allowed. She was also warned years before to turn over all records before leaving office.

As well, thousands of emails were found by the investigators, one in which she told her assistant 'we want to make sure the personal is not accessible.' Clinton has not been telling the truth since this matter started a year ago which indicates a serious lack of regard for national security and raises suspicions about the nature of her personal usage of a govt. server at home. All of the facts are covered in the post with the MSNBC video.

[MFM008]

102. VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV

[SouthernDemLinda]

116. You ought to know!

Help save a country, write in Bernie Sanders, it's legal in 43 states. There is a write in Bernie movement.

[wisteria]

105. And the Sun will fall from the sky.

She will not be indicted.