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Wed Jun 8, 2016, 11:31 PM

 

Electronic voting machines are stealing our elections

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Stephen Spoonamore on electronic voting machines: "Americans do not want to believe there are people stealing elections in this country."

http://trustvote.org/





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Response to Pharaoh (Original post)

Wed Jun 8, 2016, 11:36 PM

1. Fascinating Website...

...by The Institute for American Democracy and Election Integrity at: http://trustvote.org

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Response to Pharaoh (Original post)

Wed Jun 8, 2016, 11:57 PM

2. But those that for some strange reason, side with the Corporate Oligarchy, don't

 

care. They love the comfort offered by the Ruling Class if they only sit down and shut up. Funny how they thing we on the Left will do the same.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #2)

Thu Jun 9, 2016, 01:46 PM

15. They better damned well start caring. Clinton supporters PAY ATTENTION.

If you think the vote that comes down in November will automatically reflect the exit polls or the pre-election polling, you re greatly mistaken.

I have no idea who the tilt will favor this time. Trump may not have enough clout with the voting machines moguls and the people who are rigging the elections, people like Rove, but if they decide that they want Trump to win, you can bet your bottom dollar that Trump will win, at least in the key states that swing the election.

Kerry was defeated in 04 because of a computer based "man-in-the-middle" scheme cooked up by Rove, and Clinton would be easy meat for some new Rove in the '16 election. As Steven Freeman said, speaking about the machines and the 04 election, these machines are "trivially easy" to rig or hack or maliciously program.

A good recent book about the "red tilt" that has given us the present Republican-controlled Congress is CODE RED by Jon Simon. It answers all the important questions about the issue, and one of the last chapters about the 2010 MA senatorial race is a "must read" for anybody interested in these issues.

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Response to Pharaoh (Original post)

Thu Jun 9, 2016, 12:01 AM

3. see no evil

 

Too many democratic party leaders won't talk about this. They say it would discourage voters from voting if they thought voter fraud was deciding the election.

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Response to captainarizona (Reply #3)

Thu Jun 9, 2016, 12:15 AM

4. Too late, they already do and it already has.

I think the party leaders just don't care because the money is good just the way it is.

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Response to Pharaoh (Original post)

Thu Jun 9, 2016, 12:20 AM

5. Yeah I think there is a large amount of voter apathy. Registered voters are not voting.

 

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Response to YOHABLO (Reply #5)

Thu Jun 9, 2016, 12:50 AM

6. It's almost like there are no candidates with favorable ratings... oh. nt

 

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Response to Pharaoh (Original post)

Thu Jun 9, 2016, 12:52 AM

7. K&R.

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Response to Pharaoh (Original post)

Thu Jun 9, 2016, 01:16 AM

8. Paper Ballots

They leave a physical record, are easily counted and we can all go to bed on election night without the shit shows put on by the media, especially Fox, CNN, and MSNBC which are deplorable. Get up the next morning and let the results come from the wire services to all the outlets. Fucking electronic machines are not only hackable - they provide immediate results for Tweedy and Wolf to expound upon. Give us a break puleeze!

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Response to shadowmayor (Reply #8)

Thu Jun 9, 2016, 02:42 AM

12. Yes, instant results are a stupid goal. Media would have days of analysis anyway for selling ads. nt

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Response to Pharaoh (Original post)

Thu Jun 9, 2016, 02:10 AM

9. Type of voting machines used, by state:

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Response to Pharaoh (Original post)

Thu Jun 9, 2016, 02:23 AM

10. Duh...Bank Machines Never Make These Errors

 

ATM's have never flipped a number but we are encouraged to accept that its normal for voting machines made by the same companies to do so every election. And we shouldn't be allowed to inspect the code? How Orwellian of them. And then we have to listen to smug ignoramuses telling is we are conspiracy theorists for not swallowing everything we are told to by the powers that be that have a financial stake in everything? I think it's clear who really needs their heads checked.

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Response to billhicks76 (Reply #10)

Thu Jun 9, 2016, 02:41 AM

11. Excellent point. . . . nt

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Response to billhicks76 (Reply #10)

Thu Jun 9, 2016, 01:52 PM

16. The reason the banks, which use the same computers, never make mistakes is simple:

THERE'S A PAPER TRAIL AND ANYBODY WITH A BANK ACCOUNT RECEIVES A BANK STATEMENT THAT HE CAN CHECK CAREFULLY FOR ERRORS. I CAN VERIFY THAT THE DIEBOLD BANK MACHINE HAS CORRECTLY FIGURED OUT MY ACCOUNTS.

The results of voting machine counting are almost never verified or audited and some are not even capable of being verified.

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Response to Pharaoh (Original post)

Thu Jun 9, 2016, 07:18 AM

13. Never Underestimate the American People's Ability to Live in Denial

This started just about the time that exit polling, which had been used for decades to accurately predict the outcome of an election, suddenly became "unreliable". Indeed, exit polling would be proof positive that election theft was occurring so it had to be delegitimatized. Now, exit polls are adjusted AFTER THE FACT to match the fraudulent results we get from the electronic vote tabulators with their "proprietary" software. Any time you can flip an entire election with a few lines of software code, when there is no verifiable paper trail to prove the crime happened, there will be people like Karl Rove who will go there. This isn't just happening in State and
Congressional races but also in Presidential races. Ohio in 2004 is a perfect example, and it was carried out to keep the disaster that was W in office.
The perpetrators count on fact that most American's would rather live in denial than admit this is happening in this once great democracy.

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Response to Pharaoh (Original post)

Thu Jun 9, 2016, 10:17 AM

14. If they can steal votes, they will steal votes. And they do steal votes. nt

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Response to Pharaoh (Original post)

Thu Jun 9, 2016, 02:43 PM

17. Sanctioned, maintained and kept in place

by the same people that have all the reason in the world to hack into them. THIS is why we don't want liars to represent us, we ENTRUST the integrity of elections and ultimately our LIVES to them.

Voting for someone who is willing to lie and cheat their way into office and deny millions votes while doing so, then censoring all criticism is a high stakes gamble on tyranny too many people are willing to take. Luckily the 99% have had enough.

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