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GOP: Keep Selling Guns to People on Terrorist Watch List! (Original Post) Galraedia Jun 2016 OP
Sad people agree with the Bush Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #1
How many people are mistakenly put on that list? passiveporcupine Jun 2016 #2
We will never know Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #3
You mean you can't throw a huge number at me to make it look horrific? passiveporcupine Jun 2016 #4
I think some of them are pulled from a hat Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #6
That type of mentality scares me Red Knight Jun 2016 #7
I worry about all of the occupy Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #8
Then lets work on fixing the list and stop using it as an excuse passiveporcupine Jun 2016 #11
I agree Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #12
What?! And miss good sales?! paleotn Jun 2016 #5
Thanks-I was wondering about this matter. midnight Jun 2016 #9
This is why Republicans are worthless and insane zebonaut Jun 2016 #10
 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
1. Sad people agree with the Bush
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 06:57 PM
Jun 2016

Secret lists that you have no due process, are arbitrary on how you get on and impossible to get removed from.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
2. How many people are mistakenly put on that list?
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 07:58 PM
Jun 2016

The man who shot up The Pulse was taken off that list by the FBI. I don't think it's impossible to challenge your place on the list. But letting terrorists or even potential terrorists inside the US buy weapons is absolutely insane.

People with serious mental health issues cannot buy guns. What happened to their civil rights?

Civil rights are just dandy, but they should not be used to let possibly dangerous people have access to guns, whether it's a mental health assessment, a felon (especially someone who has murdered before), or an FBI terrorist watch list.

This last guy from Orlando was interviewed, investigated and removed from the terrorist watch list, because they did not find enough evidence to indicate he was a potential terrorist. And GOP is worried about some people arbitrarily being put on the watch list? How do the rights to buy a gun for those few people compare to the civil rights of people killed or injured in a terrorist attack compare? Do you think that maybe it's better to inconvenience a few to save the many from death or serious injury?

What about people who end up being executed for a crime they did not commit? They had more than their 2nd amendment rights taken away. but that's OK with the GOP and even a lot of people here, because they don't want to give up the opportunity to kill someone that pisses them off.

Yes..we do make mistakes in the name of safety. Like Cenk said, let's work on trying not to make those mistakes, instead of allowing potential terrorists in the US to buy weapons.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
4. You mean you can't throw a huge number at me to make it look horrific?
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 08:32 PM
Jun 2016

How nice you are so concerned about the 2nd amendment rights of (how many? We will never know.), while innocents are slaughtered by weapons that can still legally be purchased by people on the terror watch list, who might actually end up being terrorists.

They aren't just pulled out of a hat, you know. There does have to be a reason to put them on the list. And apparently, you have to do a lot of sketchy stuff to be kept on the terror watch list. I mean this last guy had red flags...too many red flags and they still took him off.

But let's worry about the "How many?" "We will never know".

Red Knight

(704 posts)
7. That type of mentality scares me
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 07:14 AM
Jun 2016

Especially on a Democratic website.

If we are that concerned with the rights of the 2 percent let's just abandon all lists--no-fly lists-whatever.

Let's take no action whatsoever.

We'll just let Carly Fiorina keep praying.

I agree about fixing the problem so that we can cut down on mistakes. But to flush the program because a few people are mistakenly put on the list is insane.

If Democrats feel that way--I don't know what to say. I'm thinking I really don't know this party sometimes.

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
8. I worry about all of the occupy
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 07:20 AM
Jun 2016

And BLM that end up on these secret Bush lists that have no legal recourse to fight being put on those lists. Sad people here do not believe in innocent until proven guilty and due process of law. That scares me.

I agree, fix the list, than I would support them.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
11. Then lets work on fixing the list and stop using it as an excuse
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 02:01 PM
Jun 2016

for hanging onto the "constitutional right" for everyone in America to buy a deadly weapon like a gun.

The empathy for those killed by guns astounds me.

I am done here. Waste of time. Not the time to be defending guns at all...think of the people mourning right now and give it a rest.

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
12. I agree
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 07:00 PM
Jun 2016

Ensure we put the resources to ensure the lists are accurate, have appropriate oversight and an appeal process. Due process needs to be respected. Do this and I will have no big deal with it. For now the system should at least flag on a weapon purchase if a person is on the list and alert the FBI.

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