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yourout
(8,790 posts)MattP
(3,304 posts)Youre video doesnt say anything
berniesandero
(96 posts)Lil Missy
(17,865 posts)Wibly
(613 posts)To win Clinton is going to need the Sanders camp. Your yawning is not going to deliver them.
Lil Missy
(17,865 posts)But now that you mention it - I don't take responsibility for how people vote, or choose not to vote at all. This is how politics work in the real world. In the real world, there's always a winner and a loser and those here who choose to be sore losers or make the results about themselves are still in DU la-la land.
Adults do the right thing, even when nobody is looking. And Bernie is the one who wanted to join the Democratic Party and play with the big kids. It's up to him to be an example for his supporters to follow. Hillary did it 8 years ago, Bernie can do it too.
KPN
(17,322 posts)upaloopa
(11,417 posts)Lil Missy
(17,865 posts)That's your job.
In addition, Hillary did the responsible thing in 2008, now Bernie can do the responsible thing too.
KPN
(17,322 posts)passive aggressive language and recognize it isn't helpful.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)"Adults do the right thing, even when nobody is looking."
That is what Bernie has been doing his entire life.
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)Real intelligent comeback.
When exactly did I claim to control the Sanders camp?
Who exactly did I bully?
Must be real desperate to resort to this sort of dialogue.
840high
(17,196 posts)Night Watchman
(743 posts)Sorry, he's not still in the race.
Wibly
(613 posts)And no, you cannot say he's not because Clinton has not yet been officially nominated, does not have the votes yet, and the super delegates do not vote until July.
What you have is a Candidate who looks like she's going to win, not one who has won.
MariaThinks
(2,495 posts)being in the race means nothing as there is no longer a race. All he can do is insist that the obvious votes be restated - an exercise that uses time which could be spent attacking the republicans.
It's pretty clear to me and many other people that were Hillary supporters but became Bernie supporters only to find out that he wasn't nearly as wonderful as we had hoped. This is only about BS now and not anyone else.
I don't believe you.
I know of no Hillary supporters who became Sanders supporters and went back. In fact, most of the ones I know who went that way are unwilling to go back.
As for what he can do, he can do plenty. He can force the Clinton campaign to take on specific platform planks, or risk losing a good number of Democratic supporters. He can challenge Clinton to surround herself with some new people. He can push her to reject the big bank money. There is plenty he can do.
The only time we'd think of him as not being as good as we thought, would be if he pulled a Clinton or Trump flip flop and went back on his promise to us that he would stay in it.
I dont' know where you get your ideas from, but they are way off base.
KPN
(17,322 posts)like Hillary did to gain more personal benefit. Strikes me that it's more about Bernie sacrificing personal gain in order to do what's right for people and, in the long run, the country.
I know this is hard to see, however, so long as one views it from the standpoint of winning, specifically Hillary winning, being the goal. Relax. Hillary will win either way, unless Bernie decides to run as an Independent which I and just about everyone else rightly doubt. Bernie's just using the leverage he has (earned) to accomplish good things other than him winning. you got a beef with what he's proposing?
pangaia
(24,324 posts)That is what so many people here misunderstand.
He is not doing this for himself. He has never done what he does for himself.
He does it for all human beings. Always.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)I keep posting this, any chance I get in a reply to the blind.
Wibly
(613 posts)Sanders has said from the start he's staying in. Lately he's stated very clearly he's staying in until the convention.
Are the writers so accustomed to politicians talking out two sides of their mouths that they are actually surprised when one does what he says he's going to do?
Of course Sanders is staying in. The nomination is not yet concluded, and he said he would.
There are real issues the media and pundits and everyone else could be talking about.
SmittynMo
(3,544 posts)They were both meeting in the same building, right?
So why does Bernie enter front the front of the building, and "holier than though" comes in from the alley?
FailureToCommunicate
(14,591 posts)SmittynMo
(3,544 posts)She doesn't want to have the opportunity to mingle with the crowd. Did you notice when Bernie shook the hand of the doorman? He didn't have to do that. But he did. Night, meet day.
Darb
(2,807 posts)More now than ever?
I'll give that a FUCKING DERRRRRRRRRRRR
840high
(17,196 posts)FailureToCommunicate
(14,591 posts)apparently to a lot of anti Bernie folks here.
It's not about the man, it's about his support of so many things that millions of new, young voters agree with.
The margin Hillary has won by is not that lopsided so as to ignore the wishes of millions of voters. And no nearly as lopsided as numerous Democratic primaries in the past.
Red Knight
(704 posts)Is that Bernie can't and won't just have his meeting--raise hands with Hillary and proclaim her the nominee and his support without making sure that his supporters(those who embraced his ideas) get something for that support. It won't matter if he doesn't do that. I know many Bernie supporters who will not vote for her--period. I know others who might--if she adopts and stays true to some of these progressive ideas. But it isn't about Bernie and he'd be the first to say that.
It's about a movement.
Either Hillary embraces at least some of that movement in a concrete way--or she doesn't. And if she doesn't it won't matter how high Bernie raises her hand. People won't go along. Bernie knows this and I am sure he explained that to Obama and Hillary. His support means nothing without his supporters.
Unlike SOME(emphasis on "some"
Hillary supporters--it isn't about a "cult of personality". No one has embraced Bernie because of his personality--or he'd be the first Jewish President or whatever. It's about his ideas.
The Democratic establishment can embrace or reject that(and yes--I get their will have to be some negotiation and Bernie won't get everything)but Bernie can never go to his supporters and say: "Hey--we tried. Let's support her now."
It's useless.
He has to do it the right way. Hillary supporters blasting Bernie supporters won't help anything.
Darb
(2,807 posts)We also get how our government works, thanks.
Red Knight
(704 posts)and how elections work are two different things.
You're welcome.
Darb
(2,807 posts)Hillary won handily. I think a good dose of T Rump might be a nice experience for the millennial bernies. I think I will vote for him. Or maybe just stay home. Now tell me, how stupid is that?
Red Knight
(704 posts)If you got how elections work you'd get that. Fortunately for you, I think Hillary gets it.
I think this will somehow work out when the dust settles.
Saying, "let them have Trump!" is no solution. It's childish.
Look--Hillary won--we get it. Why care about what Bernie does right now? The only thing that should matter is trying to bring as many supporters of his on board as is possible. Bernie has said a million times that he will do whatever he can to make sure Trump is not elected. If that doesn't happen today--so what? The vote is in November.
Even Bernie can't flip a switch and magically convert his supporters to Hillary supporters. It's going to take some time.
Or you can just dismiss them now and see if it matters. Or..let them have Trump and hope that'll show them.
FailureToCommunicate
(14,591 posts)There have been many more Dem primaries where the winner did so 'handily' This one was not a blow out.
So why all the vitriol? Isn't this the time for some hand holding and kum ba yah?
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/how-close-did-bernie-sanders-get-705797187947
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