Why you don't draw on a drawn gun!

[Quixote1818]

I think this is important because so many people think having the gun is going to protect them once a gun has been drawn on them and end up dead. Even if you are patient and wait for an opening, unless you are very well trained and have nerves of steel, you probably should NOT try to shoot at someone who has their gun drawn because if you miss then you are probably dead. Remember, if they wanted to kill you they would have probably already done that so by starting a gun fight with someone who already has their gun drawn you are probably decreasing your odds of survival. You would have been better off not having a gun if it causes you to take chances.

Of course if you are in a club and someone is shooting at everyone then that changes the equation because they have then shown they are killing as many folks as possible but you would want to place that shot just right or the shooter will turn his attention to you immediately and if they have an assault weapon they have a huge advantage.

Warning! Graphic video!

[Hoyt]

1. I agree. I think most people tote for the same reason as Zimmerman. Don't care what they say

[Stonepounder]

2. I actually got held up by a guy with a gun.

Let me tell you, nothing can prepare you for someone pulling a gun on you. I was working the night shift in a liquor store near Santa Anita Race Track. Guy came in, walked up to the counter, pulled out a gun and told me to empty the register. After it was over, I could barely stand up and I really couldn't give a decent description of the guy. I could, however, describe the gun in great detail. I had a barrel about a food in diameter. Revolver or automatic, uh, a barrel about a food in diameter.

The idea of pulling a gun on the dude, even if there had been one available, never, ever entered my mind! (The owner was cool. Doing anything to try and thwart a robbery attempt would get you fired immediately. He told us, only half jokingly, that his insurance went up a whole lot more if an employee got killed that if a couple of hundred dollars got stolen.)

[doc03]

3. Most people including myself would pee their pants in that

situation. Notice both of these guys were police officers, they had a responsibility to intervene. If I run into someone robbing a gas station I wouldn't put my life on the line for Exxon or the few bucks in my pocket. What if the guy holding the gun happens to see you are armed? He might just shoot you before you have the chance to even try to use your CCW. I will take my chances unarmed.

[doc03]

4. A couple years ago a robber came in a local gas station and stuck a gun in the

women cashier's face and started rifling through the cash register. This is the honest truth, she slapped his hands and told him to get the fuck out. He took off running and robbed another station a couple miles down the road. She was damn lucky he didn't want to kill anyone. I believe he got 3 years for his adventure.

[Skittles]

5. if you miss, you can kill someone else

[friendly_iconoclast]

6. It worked 50% of the time in this video -the guy in blue drew on a drawn gun and succeeded

Granted, the first guy fumbled with his holster, and paid the price

I'm guessing that you didn't watch this all the way through...

[Quixote1818]

7. Watched it several times

In the first one there are only two people and one already has his gun pulled and pointed at the officer. Your comments have me puzzled. You really think the officer lost only because he fumbled getting his gun out? If so then you didn't learn a thing from the video. He is saying NOT to pull your gun when the other guys has been drawn unless you are given an opportunity which presented itself in the second video but only because the gunman's attention was mostly on the hostage and that cop was a complete bad ass with ice in his veins, highly skilled and highly trained. Regular folks are going to biff that up probably 7 out of 10 times possibly shooting the hostage in the head or missing because they would be worried they might hit the hostage in the head if the guy jerks when he sees the gun.

In the first scenario there is nothing that can be done but to put your hands up and comply. It's just you and the criminal who has a gun pointed directly at you and no one else around.

Cops will teach you over and over not to try and be a hero (unless you are highly trained like a cop or combat solder) even if you have a gun and you are being held up. Sure you can look for an opportunity and if you feel very strongly you can follow through and end things go for it but most criminals don't want a murder charge they want your money and to get the hell out of there so if you are going to try and be a hero you probably have one shot so it better be a good one because once you start shooting the criminal then is fighting for their life rather than a few bucks. Statistics show that robbers win these battles against regular citizens most of the time even if a civilian acts before the criminals gun is drawn because regular folks don't react well in the heat of the moment.

[NoMoreRepugs]

8. different situation but using to make a point....

the second Boston Marathon terrorist was cornered in a parked boat in someones yard and a firefight ensued with a number of marksmen using rifles and scopes with a whole lot of training - weren't there 300-400 rounds fired and only a few hit the target? Point being - when adrenaline is pounding in your head very very hard to remain cool calm and collected and hit anything... ask any soldier you know who has been in close combat...


the civilian good guy with a gun nonsense is just that - nonsense

sure there are instances, there are also mega lottery winners on occasion

[Plucketeer]

9. Spot on

The average John Q is so conditioned by TV and movies. They have it in their head that since they're packin' heat, they're gonna survive any assualt. You can carry one for YEARS before there's a valid situation to use it - and then what - you're gonna be all cool and collected? And the rounds you finally manage to get off are gonna be smart enough to find their intended target and not an alternate?
The only sorta "good guy with a gun" is a law enforcement person.

I was actually awakened at 2AM one morning. While my inturder spoke to me a bit, I never did see anything but that big ass flashlight he blinded me with as well as the huge chromed revolver that kept flashing in the flashlight's beam. Yeah - I can just picture myself grappling for a gun in a nightstand drawer while my assailant stood and watched. Likely, I wouldn't be telling you about it.

[NoMoreRepugs]

10. Plucketeer - agree 100% on the TV and movie comment.

I looked at the stats in this study and tried to factor in the average individual in a life or death situation vs. the trained professionals shooting at targets in a controlled situation from the study - especially from a 30 feet (mere 10 steps) distance or more - IT ONLY HAPPENS ON TV OR IN THE MOVIES is correct.

http://www.forcescience.org/articles/naiveshooter.pdf