Rachel Maddow - Powerful anti gun ad panics gun rights groups

[onehandle]

[Hoyt]

1. EXCELLENT. I believe gun purchasers should have to watch videos like they showed first time drivers

back in the 60s of people killed and maimed in accidents.

Further, if the potential gun purchaser shows no reaction or doesn't care -- as I expect most gun "enthusiasts" would -- they should be barred from having gunz. If they show real concern and decide to wait to purchase a gun, maybe they are mature and stable enough to have one gun at home, maybe. . . . . . .

[DustyJoe]

8. snuff films

With millions of veterans as gun owners, a good percentage serving in combat theaters, you will find a number of them with no reaction to your gun snuff film.

Who knows what other rights we can delegate to the big newz area of teevee. 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th amendments and if people don't react according to some who knows who described norm (ala orwell) then the rights get stripped away.

[blue neen]

13. A "snuff film"?

...and, "With millions of veterans as gun owners, a good percentage serving in combat theaters, you will find a number of them with no reaction to your gun snuff film."

The veterans I know get very upset when children's deaths are being discussed.

[Hoyt]

17. Since we do not live in a war zone, maybe those vets ought not own a gun.

I'm sorry, but being trained to kill innocent people in a barrage of bullets fired by people doing what some superior tells them ain't exactly a rebuttal to there are too many unstable people with gunz in this country. Randy Weaver, Timmy McVeigh, the "Sniper's" murderer, etc. PTSD and guilt do not mix well with guns.

Veterans are a pretty dangerous group actually: http://strongeratthebrokenplaces.com/veterans-and-violent-crime/

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-veterans-death-penalty-20151109-story.html

I know a number of veterans who wouldn't own a gun if you gave it to them.

[DustyJoe]

33. go get em

With what you state you should apply for the job of knocking on veterans doors demanding they give you their guns.

Sounds right up your alley with your views on veterans. US military were never trained to kill innocent people, whose
service were you in ?

[Hoyt]

36. I guess you subscribe to "molon labe" junk.

[passiveporcupine]

35. And many of those combat veterans who can watch people dying and not care

may not be mentally healthy enough to own a gun.

We had a local, Robin (I expect he's still here...just haven't heard anything about him for awhile). He tried to scare some kids off his property by shooting his military style semi-auto rifle up in the air over their heads. And he lived in a residential area. He also got in a fight with a neighbor and shot his dog. I had to ask my next door neighbor to quit allowing him to scrounge on his property for wood and stuff (he owned property on both sides of me, and both properties were vacant at the time, because Robin kept drifting onto my property, armed, and looking for things to salvage, not just fire wood. He finally cut up and took some logs I had lining my driveway to keep people from driving onto my property to camp and park.

I don't know if he had his guns taken away, but he's known to have mental issues, and is treated with caution by all who know him. He should not own guns. He walks around in camo, looking like Rambo, and carries a big hunting knife on him at all times, in case cougar...you know.

Just cause they were in the military doesn't mean they are safe with guns...as a matter of fact it probably raises the probability of them being a problem. I've read numerous stories over the years about retired military who went ballistic on their family or ex wife and killed someone.

[negoldie]

22. Make Gun

buyers go through the same BS a woman has to go through to get an abortion.
Not only watch a video, but travel miles to the gun store. Make them wait 48 hours I think you get my picture.

[Hoyt]

23. Very good suggestion.

[avebury]

2. That ad should be run coast to coast.

It is pretty effective turning it around from buy a gun to protect yourself to the gun buyer being put in the shoes of a mass shooter.

[baldguy]

3. Then there are those "good, law-abiding gun owning enthusiasts"

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that would pay extra to actually own one of Adam Lanza's guns.

[passiveporcupine]

39. Yeah, like George Zimmerman

But he'd be buying them so he could auction them off for more money...because trophy gun.

[Duckhunter935]

4. You mean that group that was caught

Lying and used actors, lol. That was a year ago and nobody is scared.

[blue neen]

14. "nobody is scared."

I'm not too sure about that.

[Squinch]

5. That fear is very evident here today.

[onehandle]

6. Yep. nt

[SwankyXomb]

7. ANYTHING anti gun panics them

[NastyRiffraff]

9. Powerful!

If the NRA is freaked out that's a good thing.

[ailsagirl]

10. WOW-- very powerful n/t

[liberalnarb]

11. The man who played the cashier in this ad was Ned Luke.

I knew his voice when I heard it. He voiced the character Michael De Santa in The Grand Theft Auto 5 game. I always thought Rockstar (The gaming company) had a right wing bias. Its nice to see him doing this.

[friendly_iconoclast]

30. All the 'customers' were actors as well. Still think it was nice?

[liberalnarb]

38. I still think it was nice.

Considering you presented no proof. I see someone opened the floodgates over at the RKBAG.

[friendly_iconoclast]

42. "(N)o proof"? The links are to be found in posts #25 and #31

[liberalnarb]

46. Right... Cheaperthandirt.com

[friendly_iconoclast]

47. Source aside, what is inaccurate about what they dug up?

Be specific, if you would please. For example, do you have evidence that they fabricated the various permits they posted? If they did, why hasn't SUPGV called them on it?

This is the sort of advertising fraud Consumer Reports has written about for years.
Said fraud being for a "good" cause does not make it any less phony- see "pregnancy crisis
centers", or Greg Abbott's Jade Helm idiocy for other examples...

[friendly_iconoclast]

48. Let the record show that my interlocutor could produce no answer to that...

[BobTheSubgenius]

34. Rockstar, the 'energy drink' company

definitely has a right wing bias. It's owned by members of Michael Weiner's (Michael Savage) family.

[liberalnarb]

37. This here?

They can poison people with their shitty drink l, but I can't enjoy marijuana legally.

[secondwind]

12. K&R... very powerful message!

[eggplant]

15. From 15 months ago. n/t

[ProudProgressiveNow]

16. K&R nt

[Francis Booth]

18. I'm surprised that so many New Yorkers arent

aware that it's difficult to impossible to get a gun permit in NYC.

[friendly_iconoclast]

24. Don't be- they're *all* actors. This ad is a complete fraud:

Most of y'all got played, and played hard...

Thanks to beevul for posting this:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172168674

Remember that fake gun store in NY that SUPGV opened up and took video of?

In an exclusive, the Shooter’s Log has learned that actors were used to portray customers in a fake gun shop “public service announcement” produced by States United Against Gun Violence earlier this year.

The New York City Mayor’s Office of Media has confirmed these facts in its response to a Freedom of Information Law (FOIL) request submitted in March.

“States United To Prevent Gun Violence opens a ‘gun store’ in NYC as a hidden camera social experiment to debunk safety myths,” the CeaseFire USA project claimed in its description of the video. The “social experiment,” like the “gun shop” itself, was pre-arranged, permits approved by the city indicate.

“Actors are interviewed on camera in a fake gun store,” the permits’ scene descriptions reveal.


It had previously been known that the “gun store proprietor” behind the counter was an actor—and one who has previously made a living glorifying fake “gun violence”—but up until now, speculation about if the “customers” were also plants has been just that.

http://blog.cheaperthandirt.com/group-actors-nyc-gun-store-facade/

March FOIL Request:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/266265840/NYC-FOIL-Request-Transcript-Electronically-Submitted-to-Records-Access-Officer

May FOIL Response:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/266266021/NYC-Foil-Cover-Email


PSA Permit, March 10:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/266266993/PSA-Permit-310

PSA Permit, March 11:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/266267126/PSA-Permit-311

PSA Permit, March 12:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/266267307/PSA-Permit-312

PSA Project Information:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/266267519/Gun-Control-PSA-Project-Information-Redacted

Certificate of Insurance:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/266268035/Rival-School-Pictures-Guns-With-History-Clientst-Certificate-of-Insurance-Redacted

[passiveporcupine]

40. They interviewed actors, who were part of the experiment

But there were others off the street who walked in who witnessed the interviews, thinking they were real people. The message was for them.

[friendly_iconoclast]

43. That's not what was said at the time by the sponsor:

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/states-united-to-prevent-gun-violence-opens-gun-store-in-manhattan-as-hidden-camera-social-experiment-to-debunk-safety-myths-300051787.html

[passiveporcupine]

44. no, it was written here

“They [actors, presented as customers] entered the gun store looking for their first gun,” the video concludes. “This is how they left.”

They left anti-gun, of course. But then again, per the permits provided by the city, that was scripted, and the whole “hidden cameras” fiction was for the benefit of those not in on the performance.

http://blog.cheaperthandirt.com/group-actors-nyc-gun-store-facade/

The links to the documents are below this article, including the PSA project information, or in the permits themselves, which I presume is where they got this info. I didn't go through all the links, because I am losing my vision and it's just too hard to read a lot of small print.

[friendly_iconoclast]

45. Thanks for posting that. Shame how some try to elide pious fraud

[Dustlawyer]

19. I remember having to go to Killeen, TX. in Oct of 1991, a few days after a man drove his truck

inside and opened fire on the patrons inside. He used a Glock 17 and a Ruger P89 to kill 23 and causing 27 non-fatal injuries. Then he killed the 24th, himself. There were flowers piled as high as the door to the restaurant, but they did little good. It is the 4th deadliest mass shooting by a single shooter behind Pulse, Virginia Tech, and Sandy Hook. That was 25 years ago! Nothing has changed except it is easier to get an assault rifle now than it was then.

I don't get it. Now many people are buying guns because they are afraid of all of the others out there with guns. It is a gun feedback loop that the arms manufacturers just love! I bet they were worried when this first started happening. Now they gleefully start trying to figure out how much more money they will make in the aftermath of each mass shooting!

Our society has become sick and heartless.

[Thinkingabout]

20. Some changes needs to be made

[Stuart G]

21. k and r..nt

[friendly_iconoclast]

25. You all got played hard: The 'ad' is a fraud and *all* the customers are actors

Thanks to beevul for posting this:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172168674

Remember that fake gun store in NY that SUPGV opened up and took video of?

In an exclusive, the Shooter’s Log has learned that actors were used to portray customers in a fake gun shop “public service announcement” produced by States United Against Gun Violence earlier this year.

The New York City Mayor’s Office of Media has confirmed these facts in its response to a Freedom of Information Law (FOIL) request submitted in March.

“States United To Prevent Gun Violence opens a ‘gun store’ in NYC as a hidden camera social experiment to debunk safety myths,” the CeaseFire USA project claimed in its description of the video. The “social experiment,” like the “gun shop” itself, was pre-arranged, permits approved by the city indicate.

“Actors are interviewed on camera in a fake gun store,” the permits’ scene descriptions reveal.


It had previously been known that the “gun store proprietor” behind the counter was an actor—and one who has previously made a living glorifying fake “gun violence”—but up until now, speculation about if the “customers” were also plants has been just that.

http://blog.cheaperthandirt.com/group-actors-nyc-gun-store-facade/

March FOIL Request:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/266265840/NYC-FOIL-Request-Transcript-Electronically-Submitted-to-Records-Access-Officer

May FOIL Response:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/266266021/NYC-Foil-Cover-Email


PSA Permit, March 10:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/266266993/PSA-Permit-310

PSA Permit, March 11:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/266267126/PSA-Permit-311

PSA Permit, March 12:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/266267307/PSA-Permit-312

PSA Project Information:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/266267519/Gun-Control-PSA-Project-Information-Redacted

Certificate of Insurance:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/266268035/Rival-School-Pictures-Guns-With-History-Clientst-Certificate-of-Insurance-Redacted

[friendly_iconoclast]

26. So Maddow was either a) in on it, or b) conned- just like many of you were n/t

[TeddyR]

27. I always scoffed at the RW claims that the media

Was biased, and (naively) trusted the media to report the news without personal bias. But after Katie Couric got caught in a lie in her firearms documentary it is clear that many in the media have a personal agenda they use to push their pet project.

[friendly_iconoclast]

29. The links to all the evidence can be found at my post #25 upthread

I have a strong suspicion that those who have lauded this con job will now
"forget" that they've ever posted in this thread...

[LongtimeAZDem]

28. I agree that if you're worried about whether a gun is haunted, you probably shouldn't buy it (nt)

[friendly_iconoclast]

31. If Maddow wasn't in on the fraud, those who produced certainly were:

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/states-united-to-prevent-gun-violence-opens-gun-store-in-manhattan-as-hidden-camera-social-experiment-to-debunk-safety-myths-300051787.html

Note: emphasis added

NEW YORK, March 17, 2015 /PRNewswire/ -- According to a recent survey, six out of ten Americans believe owning a firearm makes homes safer. But studies show the opposite to be true: owning a gun can actually increase risk of injury and death for you and those around you.

To debunk this perception, States United to Prevent Gun Violence, a national non-profit organization dedicated to making our families and communities safer, did the unthinkable: they opened a "gun store" on Manhattan's Lower East Side and invited first-time gun buyers to check it out as part of a hidden camera social experiment.

&quot F)irst-time gun buyers" who were all paid actors.

Upon entering the doors of the storefront, potential customers were shocked...

Only if they had forgotten the script

...with some unsettling history behind each gun model, including their use in some of the most emotionally charged mass shootings, unintentional shootings, homicides and suicides. States United to Prevent Gun Violence captured the shoppers' stunned reactions...

Good to see method acting still has some followers...

...via hidden cameras.

Today they launch the powerful #GunsWithHistory PSA which aims to inform people who are interested in purchasing guns for safety of the potential risks and unpredictable outcomes.

Post #25 has links to the sordid evidence

[ManiacJoe]

32. It is all a fraud, and an old fraud at that.

[Just reading posts]

41. They fell for this fake video again?