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dubyadiprecession
(7,450 posts)
L. Coyote
(51,134 posts)jalan48
(14,914 posts)We'd have an educated voting public. But then, distraction and diversion are what they really practice.
JHB
(38,213 posts)There is a process, and Hillary loses nothing by letting it play out.
Helen Borg
(3,963 posts)
chapdrum
(930 posts)Both counts.
Frances
(8,588 posts)but they are getting lost because the story is all about him not endorsing Clinton instead of his ideas
IMO, Sanders is coming off as a spoiled brat instead of as a man with good ideas
And that is down to Sanders
Evergreen Emerald
(13,096 posts)that Clinton would not be criminally charged. Perhaps now that the avenue is closed, he will endorse her.
senz
(11,945 posts)The media do not have legitimate authority to choose nominees, decide elections, nor to decide the results of FBI investigations. The MSM, who represent establishment/oligarchic interests, is totally for Hillary. However, the news media is not the American people, nor is it the FBI.
We won't know the results of the FBI investigation until the FBI or DOJ announce it themselves.
comradebillyboy
(10,955 posts)At this stage Sanders endorsement is pretty irrelevant. Maybe he will get around to supporting the Democratic nominee but I am doubtful. My only hope for Sanders at this point is that he and his supporters don't disrupt the Democratic Convention too badly.
highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)honorable things within a political party, and this is his right, his strategy, and his ongoing commitment to his followers.
If anyone doesn't like it, is it because they don't believe in the things he is fighting for, don't care, just want to have a clear and present winner no matter what, are scared shitless about something like Donald Trump, can't stand the anxiety of things yet to be resolved, don't believe in people fighting for what they believe? What is it?
If it's any of these things above, I would suggest in the case of item 1 above, you will just have to live with the result, like the rest of us have to live with other results so far. If it's that you just want to vote for a "winner, then you've got as close to a "winner" as you can get for now, and probably should just run as vigorously with and for the candidate as you can. If scared shitless, same recipe, you've got the candidate the people have chosen and should do everything in your own individual power to support them and get them elected as you can. Don't count on Bernie and his supporters. They will all do their own thing, on that you can be sure, according to their own principles. As Bernie says, maybe that will allow him and them to get in there with you. If you can't stand the anxiety of things yet to be resolved, there are lots of remedies, including meditation. And if you don't believe in people fighting for what they believe in, then I'm sorry. Until this becomes even more a mindless coporatocracy than it is right now and more of a police state, you are going to have to live with that. Perhaps continue to see if all those fire-breathers who truly do want to be a part of the Democratic Party and to support it and its principles MAY HAVE A POINT!
Martin Eden
(15,628 posts)Nice job exposing what is at the root of all this indignation over Bernie's endorsement of Hillary or lack thereof.
Although I'm highly motivated to prevent Donald Trump (or any Rethug) from becoming President, I will not toe the line and march in lockstep against my own principles. Real progress will never be made without relentless effort. This isn't about Bernie Sanders; it's about the future of our country and of the world.
Yes, this election must be won, but if that's the only goal then its only value is staving off a greater evil.
If my state (Illinois) has any chance of flipping red I will vote for Hillary Clinton. But I will never endorse her.
Loki
(3,830 posts)That in itself is an arrogant ideology. We all have principled ideas, and it has always been that inclusiveness and willingness to work together that has drawn me to the Democratic Party. I don't have to have everything my way, but I choose not to call names like "mindless corporatocracy" and "police state" and "you are going to have to live with that" as if we don't already have opinions about those and how devastating they are to our Democracy. Bernie has good ideas, but they aren't the only ideas that have value.
Orrex
(67,111 posts)Some recognize it as an increasingly desperate effort to stay relevant and visible. This election cycle has been Sanders' time in the spotlight as he's never before experienced during his 40+ semi-invisible years in public office. Every time he coyly declines to endorse Clinton, he gets to shine that spotlight on himself again, however briefly.
I frankly don't see it as a matter of principle but rather as a cynical ploy to draw attention.
"But he wants to get his message out," some of his supporters have claimed.
If so, then that's simply an acknowledgement that the media will lose all interest in Sanders once he endorses Clinton and his final remaining headline is printed. When did CNN last give Martin O'Malley airtime to push his message, for instance?
The additional concern is that some of Sanders' supporters will see this as validation of their refusal to vote for Clinton, mistaking that act of foolishness as some kind of principled statement against "the corporatocracy" or whatever. It's not fear so much as it's a reasonable extrapolation from declarations that we've heard for months.
How would Sanders' supporters react if he'd won the primary and Clinton refused to endorse him? Would they praise her for sticking to her message, or would they recognize her refusal as a cheap stunt for media attention?
Evergreen Emerald
(13,096 posts)Sadly.
comradebillyboy
(10,955 posts)
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)markj757
(194 posts)The power of his endorsement diminishes daily, especially after Elizabeth Warren gave such a solid and seemingly heartfelt endorsement. Although he has every right to not endorse her and holdout until the convention or later, its fast becoming meaningless.
DirkGently
(12,151 posts)He had a report of a report that someone said someone else told him Sanders said he would endorse.
Double-hearsay, in other words.
I thought Sanders was very polite in side-stepping what is clearly an ongoing discussion that he can't clarify for the moment.
And MSNBC just embarrassed itself this season. Chris much less so than Rachel, to be sure.
senz
(11,945 posts)As Bernie said, his conversation with Biden was weeks ago, and he has not committed to endorsing Hillary prior to the Democratic convention.
There is so much pressure on Bernie to endorse Hillary. As one of his millions of supporters, I honor and respect his strength and resolve in holding firm on this. I do not want him to endorse anyone until we actually have a nominee.
Bernie does not represent himself; he represents us, his many supporters. He is doing this not for himself but for us. It takes courage to hold out against so much establishment pressure, but Bernie has the courage to stand up for progressive ideals, as his lifetime of service has shown.
We love what he is doing with the Democratic platform and the attention he is bringing to the most important issues facing our country today.
Yes, the issues still matter.
Wisc Progressive
(51 posts)This type of smear should not surprise anyone. If the media was covering Sanders at all (and they largely ignored him), they were trying marginalize him. Of course, he has spoken out against Bill Clinton's massive give-away to multinational media.
The twenty years since Bill Clinton gave multinational corproations virtual complete contol of the U.S. media have not been good for our democracy, Bill Moyers has more.
No one should be surprised that the multinational corporate media gives Hillary Clinton a free pass on her speeches to banksters at $225,000 each, yet will hammer Sanders on not endorsing here right now.
Those speeches to matter and Clinton was entirely dishonest when she claimed she would release them when everyone else did -- NO OTHER REPUBLICAN OR DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE IN THE RACE EVEN GAVE SPEECHES TO BANKSTERS FOR A QUARTER-MILLION DOLLARS FOR A BRIEF APPEARANCE!
kstewart33
(6,552 posts)As each day passes, Bernie loses more leverage. He has already been given major concessions on the party platform. Now he has a choice to make - endorse Clinton or don't.
If he endorses, he'll speak at the convention. If he doesn't, he shouldn't bother showing up because the Democratic Party convention is for Democrats.
Until he makes his choice, I hope that Clinton supporters and hopefully DU will focus on beating Trump. Because at this point, that's the only thing that matters.
coco77
(1,327 posts)Will others jump on board because of his endorsement?
sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)and even contempt among a lot of democrats and independents toward the Clintons and has been for a long time. That's just a fact. Corporate media obsessively leaning on Sanders to support Hillary is likely a very poor strategy for changing that situation.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)Wake me for Sanders' endorsement.
til then ... zzzz.
floriduck
(2,262 posts)