Robert Baer on CNN: "Because if the evidence is there I don't see any other way than to vote again."

[think]

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[impeachtrumpquick]

1. March in the streets to Redo this Election.

[longship]

26. Let's get this straight. There are no presidential election redos.

We have a constitution! That document is the law of the land with respect to electing a president.

First, one does not get to make shit up about a presidential election. Such things are very specifically layed down in said constitution. There is absolutely nothing in that document which allows for a redo.

Those who propose such a thing are ignorant of both our rule of law and of our over two centuries of a democratic republic.

If you want to oppose Drumpf, and I do, we have to work within our constitutional framework.

That leaves us with a rather narrow band of options, given the current situation.

But that's what we have.

Let's get to work, understanding that Drumpf will likely be inaugurated on Jan 20th as POTUS.

[impeachtrumpquick]

27. Other countries routinly redo elections. "Theres nothing you can do that can't be done.."

[markpkessinger]

28. There is NO legal mechanism by which to set aside an election . . .

. . . This will not happen, much as you or I or anyone else might want it to. This is wishful thinking.

[Ligyron]

2. Yup, need to redo the election.

Especially so since the US can see how Trump intends to rule.

Have no idea how this would work though...

[spin]

3. If so would Obama continue to be President until the election was over? ...

Since both houses of Congress are controlled by Republicans who would have the power to declare that the current results are invalid and would this end up in the Supreme Court? How long would this process take?

[Frustratedlady]

4. It would be wonderful if the process took a good year so Obama could get more done.

The situation certainly can't be left without investigating and correcting the injustice done to Hillary. We sure don't want to have to pull out Trump and leave Pence and Ryan in place.

Wouldn't it burn the Repubs if Obama remained in office? They were so afraid he'd figure out a way to stay a 3rd term. Ah, yes!

[spin]

5. This was definitely the strangest election in my lifetime. ...

I was born in 1946.

Having a redo of the Presidential election would possibly prove a fitting ending to this farce.

[Frustratedlady]

6. I know how you feel...I have a couple elections on you and I've never seen anything like this one.

Not only the campaign and election, but Trump's refusal to perform most of his duties in the WH/Oval Office and to require two SServices and the NYPD to keep them safe because of her refusal to move from Trump Towers and Barron's school.

Each election will get further and further away from tradition and common sense arrangements.

[spin]

9. I enjoy politics and the games and tactics involved. ...

However this election basically disgusted me.

I was glad to see it finally end even though I was not impressed by the final results. Now I find out that it might not yet be over.

I'm considering giving up on watching the news and starting to find a new hobby such as watching mindless, stupid, unrealistic movies.

[whathehell]

12. Me too

and being born in '49, I'm just a couple of years behind.

Today I realized that I have not felt relaxed
since Trump "won" the election and I also realized that I have not felt so 'afraid' of a political/national situation since the Cuban Missile Crisis when I was eleven years old.

[spin]

14. I also remember the Cuban Missile Crisis. ...

I tried to convince my parents to set up a shelter in the basement. They basically ignored me.

[whathehell]

15. I remember the fall out shelters..

Did your parents talk politics around the house? Mine did.

I remember worrying that I'd never get out of the 6th grade.

[spin]

19. My father had an interest in news and politics. ...

He was a strong Democrat with a lot of dislike if not hatred towards Republicans and their policies.

My mother was not all that interested in politics. However she was also a Democrat.

I was certain that we would have a nuclear war in the next decade after the Cuban Missile Crisis ended. Fortunately I was wrong but sooner or later I still feel nukes will bee used once again in warfare. Far too many nations now have the technology.

[whathehell]

25. Politically, this sounds a lot

like my parents...My father was also a strong Democrat with a pronounced dislike of the Republican party, especially Ronald Reagan.
He organized a union during the 1940's, in fact, this is how he met my mother, who, like your mother, was also a Democrat, if somewhat less involved than my Dad. I learned so much from them.

[secondwind]

24. Same year of birth here.. and I agree with you about this election. n/t

[Qutzupalotl]

7. Obama cannot serve more than two terms.

But nothing prevents Obama from resigning before the end of his second term, to make Joe Biden president. Biden might pledge to serve until a new election is decided. That would prevent Obama's action from being seen as self-serving.

But this is all unprecedented. There is no do-over mechanism for elections under the constitution. This would have to go through congress, so it would have to be a bipartisan effort about the most partisan of activities.

[spin]

11. One thing for sure is that if an election redo does occur it will be a while...

before it does. I also suspect that during the run up to the election there will be a LOT of unrest in this nation. We might even see an uprising no matter who wins the redo. If Hillary won it wouldn't surprise me to see Texas and some other red states decide to leave the union.

We definitely live in "interesting times."

[ThoughtCriminal]

8. I am not aware of any Constitutional provision

for a "Do-over".

[think]

10. I'm not finding anything in that regards either. If there's solid evidence of the Russian govt

directly interfering with the US Presidential election this would a very troubling issue to resolve.

[spin]

13. Why is it surprising that the Russians would try to interfere with our elections? ...

They have probably tried to interfere in all of our modern elections. I wouldn't be surprised if we had interfered with their elections. In fact I might be more surprised if we didn't.

It's like the Russians hacking our government computer systems. Your can bet that we hack theirs.

The National Security Agency (NSA) is an intelligence organization of the United States government, responsible for global monitoring, collection, and processing of information and data for foreign intelligence and counterintelligence purposes, a discipline known as signals intelligence (SIGINT). NSA is concurrently charged with protection of U.S. government communications and information systems against penetration and network warfare.[8][9] Although many of NSA's programs rely on "passive" electronic collection, the agency is authorized to accomplish its mission through active clandestine means,[10] among which are physically bugging electronic systems[11] and allegedly engaging in sabotage through subversive software.[12][13] Moreover, NSA maintains physical presence in a large number of countries across the globe, where its Special Collection Service (SCS) inserts eavesdropping devices in difficult-to-reach places. SCS collection tactics allegedly encompass "close surveillance, burglary, wiretapping, breaking and entering".[14][15]


NSA Headquarters, Fort Meade, Maryland
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Security_Agency

[think]

16. It's not surprising. But like Baer says in the video he still wants to see the forensic evidence.

It's a very serious situation with extremely serious claims.

The evidence needs to be solid if there is going to be any follow up on the claims. That may well happen but we aren't there yet.

[spin]

18. I agree. What you stated makes good sense. (n/t)

[JoeOtterbein]

17. More of this please!

[KamaAina]

20. mopinko favors a full audit.

From her FB page. I imagine this would be much more involved than a traditional recount. FSM only knows what would happen in the meantime.

[Pinkflamingo]

21. It could be done thru the electoral college. Look at this:

[link:http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/electoral-college-russian-hack-david-cicilline-232469|

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/electoral-college-russian-hack-david-cicilline-232469

[totodeinhere]

22. There is no constitutional mechanism for doing over the election.

Theoretically the Electoral College could reject Trump but I seriously doubt that would happen. The next alternative would be for Congress to impeach and remove Trump once he is in office. That would require support from the Republicans and probably proof that Trump was personally involved in the conspiracy. And after Trump the next few individuals in line for the presidency will all be Republicans.

Or in other words, we are between a rock and a hard place.

[DallasNE]

23. A New Election? For Whom?

Obviously for President but with all of the straight party voting these days this Russian hacking didn't just take down Hillary Clinton, it took down Senators and House members as well.

Then look at what happened in Louisiana today. The Trump cult could pull off an even bigger win.