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Gen. Clark: Tillerson Should Get Tough Questions. (Original Post) elleng Dec 2016 OP
And strongly worded letters? Dream Girl Dec 2016 #1
Voted for Gen. Clark in the '04 primary, I'm proud to say. tenorly Dec 2016 #2
So did I vote for General Clark in the primary, tenorly, elleng Dec 2016 #3
Wesley Clark almost started WW III. Shemp Howard Dec 2016 #4
You are well UNinformed. elleng Dec 2016 #5
Not a very convincing counter-argument there, elleng. Shemp Howard Dec 2016 #6
Confrontation over Pristina airport elleng Dec 2016 #7
Gen. Clark had his reasons... Shemp Howard Dec 2016 #8

tenorly

(2,037 posts)
2. Voted for Gen. Clark in the '04 primary, I'm proud to say.
Tue Dec 13, 2016, 08:31 PM
Dec 2016

Ideologically, Dennis Kucinich aligned a little better with me; but I've always respected Clark's judgment and record - and I still believe he would have beaten the Shrub hands down in November.

Even with Blackbox Blackwell's electronic vote stuffing in Ohio.

elleng

(130,865 posts)
3. So did I vote for General Clark in the primary, tenorly,
Tue Dec 13, 2016, 08:41 PM
Dec 2016

and have respected his judgment and record since I first became acquainted with him.

Shemp Howard

(889 posts)
4. Wesley Clark almost started WW III.
Tue Dec 13, 2016, 09:17 PM
Dec 2016

Wesley Clark is a reckless fool, and an egotist. He should be shunned on general principles, and I will denounce him whenever I can. If it weren't for British general Mike Jackson (who refused to obey Clark's order to attack a Russian unit), we'd be in a shooting war with Russia.

Details here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incident_at_Pristina_airport

Shemp Howard

(889 posts)
6. Not a very convincing counter-argument there, elleng.
Tue Dec 13, 2016, 09:23 PM
Dec 2016

But what is convincing is that Gen. Clark was relieved of his command shortly after the Pristina airport incident. Clark screwed up, and he almost started a war with Russia.

elleng

(130,865 posts)
7. Confrontation over Pristina airport
Tue Dec 13, 2016, 09:53 PM
Dec 2016

'Details of Russia's surprise occupation of Pristina airport at the end of the Kosovo war are revealed in a new BBC documentary on the conflict. . .

. . .General Clark said he believed it was ''an appropriate course of action''. But the plan was again vetoed by Britain.

Partition fears

Instead, he asked neighbouring countries, including Hungary and Romania not to allow Russian aircraft to overfly their territory.

During the stand-off, Moscow insisted its troops would be answerable only to its own commanders.

Nato refused to accept this, predicting it would lead to the partition of Kosovo into an ethnic Albanian south and a Serbian north.

A deal on the deployment of Russian peacekeepers was reached in early July.

The Russians now operate as part of K-For in sectors controlled by Nato states, but are not directly under Nato's command.'

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/671495.stm


U.S. General Who Led NATO to Retire Ahead of Schedule.


*But the White House and Pentagon officials who confirmed General Clark's impending retirement and his replacement by General Ralston characterized the change as a way to encourage General Ralston to postpone retirement and stay in uniform, rather than a maneuver to banish General Clark.

''Clark did a great job,'' the White House official said. ''He won the war, for God's sake!''

The Pentagon official offered a similar assessment. ''If this was in any way dissatisfaction with Clark, he'd be moved out long before,'' the official said.

Both officials, who said they are familiar with the events that began to unfold today, spoke on condition they not be identified.

They described the change-over as part of a series of moves involving high-ranking officers that will be announced in coming months. . .

The White House official said Defense Secretary William S. Cohen wanted to do something ''to keep Joe Ralston in uniform.''>>>

http://www.nytimes.com/1999/07/28/world/us-general-who-led-nato-to-retire-ahead-of-schedule.html

Shemp Howard

(889 posts)
8. Gen. Clark had his reasons...
Tue Dec 13, 2016, 10:15 PM
Dec 2016

Clark felt that had the Russians kept control of the Pristina airport, it could have eventually led to a partition of Kosovo. Your post noted that. And so Clark ordered that the Russian units at the airport be disrupted.

But the NATO ground commander, British general Mike Jackson, saw things differently. Jackson favored negotiation over open conflict. Jackson said to Clark, "I'm not going to start the Third World War for you."

Events have shown that Jackson was right, and Clark was wrong. Jackson negotiated. There was no shooting, and there was no partition.

So I must put Clark in that category of tough-guy generals, very willing to shoot first and ask questions later. Those types of people get a lot of kids killed, and so I have no use for any of them.

I understand, and respect, that you probably see Clark in a different light.

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