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Donkees

(32,425 posts)
Sun Jan 8, 2017, 04:23 PM Jan 2017

Bernie Sanders: I Want To Revitalize the Democratic Party PoliticsNation MSNBC



Published on Jan 8, 2017
Senator Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., discusses holding president-elect Donald Trump accountable on his promises on Social Security and Medicaid, and whether the Democratic Party needs more diversity.
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Bernie Sanders: I Want To Revitalize the Democratic Party PoliticsNation MSNBC (Original Post) Donkees Jan 2017 OP
Yes, the Democratic Party needs more diversity. tecelote Jan 2017 #1
I love his policies wryter2000 Jan 2017 #2
Imagine 'interdependence' being shaped on both sides, some function as bridge-builders Donkees Jan 2017 #4
Perhaps jehop61 Jan 2017 #3
+1000 baldguy Jan 2017 #5
What tanked the Democratic party's campaign is arrogance. tecelote Jan 2017 #6
What "tanked" the nation was, despite watching a mad man on the campaign trail for 18 months, Trust Buster Jan 2017 #8
Yes. All the way to Independents. tecelote Jan 2017 #15
I'm unaffiliated and I vote democratic over and over again, I guess my vote doesn't count! n/t RKP5637 Jan 2017 #26
jehop61 was refering to the campaign Bernie ran to win the Democratic Party nomination cstanleytech Jan 2017 #14
He's been there, and done that (when he ran for the D POTUS nomination). PotatoChip Jan 2017 #31
That is such a shortsided argument. bec Jan 2017 #30
A Fully Functioning 3rd Party Would Be A Real Asset To This County Me. Jan 2017 #7
A fully fuctioning 3rd party would be a tool of the RW. baldguy Jan 2017 #17
My Point...Which Totally Escaped You Me. Jan 2017 #21
Because he doesn't have a party - **HE'S AN INDEPENDENT!!** baldguy Jan 2017 #23
THAT Is Precisely My POint Me. Jan 2017 #25
You have no point. An independent candidate has no fucking party. baldguy Jan 2017 #27
This is DEMOCRATIC Underground and not 3rd Party Underground! Period! RBInMaine Jan 2017 #18
Exactly Me. Jan 2017 #22
An honest man. He says he ran as an Indy. 4bucksagallon Jan 2017 #9
I think he already made that decision: George II Jan 2017 #12
FDR the bitch. pansypoo53219 Jan 2017 #10
"I Want To Revitalize the Democratic Party" - you can start by JOINING it!!!!! George II Jan 2017 #11
Well Bernie then you might start by joining the party if you want help revitalize it cstanleytech Jan 2017 #13
I don't recall asking for Sanders help in revitalizing the DNC. He ask to run in Thinkingabout Jan 2017 #16
So tired of this man...n/t asuhornets Jan 2017 #19
Show up on Jan 15! portlander23 Jan 2017 #20
How About Joining the Party You Want to Revitalize? dlk Jan 2017 #24
why would he join a party RazBerryBeret Jan 2017 #28
Bernie IS a democrat if being a democrat means believing that government should..... jg10003 Jan 2017 #29

tecelote

(5,141 posts)
1. Yes, the Democratic Party needs more diversity.
Sun Jan 8, 2017, 04:28 PM
Jan 2017

Around 40% of Americans are Independents. We need to reach at least half of them to win.

wryter2000

(47,551 posts)
2. I love his policies
Sun Jan 8, 2017, 04:40 PM
Jan 2017

There are a lot of things I love about him, but if he wants to revitalize the Democratic party, wouldn't it help if he joined it?

jehop61

(1,735 posts)
3. Perhaps
Sun Jan 8, 2017, 04:59 PM
Jan 2017

he should join the Democratic Party first before telling us what to do? He may have great ideas, but he is showing a bit of arrogance that tanked his campaign last year

tecelote

(5,141 posts)
6. What tanked the Democratic party's campaign is arrogance.
Sun Jan 8, 2017, 05:25 PM
Jan 2017

Nearly 40% pf Americans are Independents.

their voice matters.

 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
8. What "tanked" the nation was, despite watching a mad man on the campaign trail for 18 months,
Sun Jan 8, 2017, 05:53 PM
Jan 2017

Last edited Sun Jan 8, 2017, 07:31 PM - Edit history (1)

46% of eligible voters could not bring themselves to get off their asses and vote. Don't kid yourself, this problem goes well beyond the Democratic Party.

cstanleytech

(27,123 posts)
14. jehop61 was refering to the campaign Bernie ran to win the Democratic Party nomination
Sun Jan 8, 2017, 06:59 PM
Jan 2017

(a party which he still refuses to join) against Hillary not the campaign Hillary ran against Trump which she lost with almost 3 million more votes than Trump.
Now maybe if Bernie had decided to officially join the party rather than just caucus with it he might have won its nomination but he didnt and that cost him.

PotatoChip

(3,186 posts)
31. He's been there, and done that (when he ran for the D POTUS nomination).
Mon Jan 9, 2017, 08:54 AM
Jan 2017
http://docquery.fec.gov/pdf/533/15031422533/15031422533.pdf (PDF file warning).

But people within my/our party treated him like crap, even when he had that 'special' D by his name. It was a sickening thing to witness.

Furthermore, as Bernie just said in the video, he was elected to serve as an Independent Vermont US Senator. He wants to honor that commitment to his constituents. I think that is the noble thing to do... I'll never forget how in the 90's there was a nearby State Representative who was elected as a D only to change her party affiliation to R in the middle of her term. That literally threw the entire Maine State House into an uproar because it meant having a 75/75 D & R ratio (along w/one Independent). Committee chairmanships had to be altered to share 50/50 w/the R's. And it was all because of this one woman w/a bee in her bonnet. She was never elected to serve again, even though she tried. Her constituents were rightfully pissed, and I don't blame them.

So, the point here is that Bernie does not think changing his party affiliation mid-term is the right thing to do. Maybe if/when he runs for US Senate again, he'll run as a D?... Somehow tho, I doubt doing so would silence his critics here at DU.

Personally, I don't care what letter he has beside his name, as long as he continues to fight hard for the benefit of the people of this country.
 

bec

(107 posts)
30. That is such a shortsided argument.
Mon Jan 9, 2017, 06:12 AM
Jan 2017

Bernie has caucused with the democrats for years. Funny when he did switch parties he was attacked for not being a "real" democrat. You guys crack me up. Go on and defend "democrats" like Joe Manchin because he has that D next to his name, even though his policies are very republican leaning, and demonize the guy whose polices and actions over the years have been way more of what a democrat should be and what most of us non-sheep democrats want it to be.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
7. A Fully Functioning 3rd Party Would Be A Real Asset To This County
Sun Jan 8, 2017, 05:46 PM
Jan 2017

And break the 2 party stranglehold. Why doesn't he revitalize his own party?

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
17. A fully fuctioning 3rd party would be a tool of the RW.
Sun Jan 8, 2017, 07:47 PM
Jan 2017

It also assumes there's no difference between Democrats & Republicans. Which is total fucking RW propaganda bullshit from top to bottom, front to back & beginning to end.

Republicans don't believe that shit. Why do you?

Me.

(35,454 posts)
21. My Point...Which Totally Escaped You
Sun Jan 8, 2017, 09:20 PM
Jan 2017

is... I wonder why Sen. Sanders never advocates for his own party. And the rest of your reply was total nonsense.

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
23. Because he doesn't have a party - **HE'S AN INDEPENDENT!!**
Sun Jan 8, 2017, 09:54 PM
Jan 2017

When & how did that little bit of information escape your powerful intellect?

Me.

(35,454 posts)
25. THAT Is Precisely My POint
Sun Jan 8, 2017, 10:10 PM
Jan 2017

Why isn't he revitalizing and giving his party advice, instead of the Dems.

And if you really have a need to be insulting, have at it.

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
27. You have no point. An independent candidate has no fucking party.
Sun Jan 8, 2017, 10:24 PM
Jan 2017

THAT'S WHAT THE DEFINITION OF THE WORD "INDEPENDENT" IS!

One independent candidate could preach peace & love & a brick of tofu in every pot.

Another independent candidate could claim to be the lost love child of Pol Pot and Adolf Hitler with the ideology to match.

They're still both independents. This simple fact just totally escape you.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
22. Exactly
Sun Jan 8, 2017, 09:22 PM
Jan 2017

So why do we keep hearing about an Independent who thinks he should be the one to revitalize the Democratic Party.

4bucksagallon

(975 posts)
9. An honest man. He says he ran as an Indy.
Sun Jan 8, 2017, 06:23 PM
Jan 2017

Won as an Indy and will finish his term as an Indy, before he makes any decisions about joining the Democrats. How refreshing to hear that and know he means what he says and says what he means.

George II

(67,782 posts)
12. I think he already made that decision:
Sun Jan 8, 2017, 06:33 PM
Jan 2017
http://www.fec.gov/fecviewer/CandidateCommitteeDetail.do?candidateCommitteeId=S4VT00033&tabIndex=1

Name: SANDERS, BERNARD (I - INCUMBENT)
Office Sought: S - SENATE
Election Year: 2018
State: VT - VERMONT, District: 00
Party: INDEPENDENT

cstanleytech

(27,123 posts)
13. Well Bernie then you might start by joining the party if you want help revitalize it
Sun Jan 8, 2017, 06:52 PM
Jan 2017

otherwise some Democrats might suspect you of having ulterior motives or accuse you of wanting to have your cake and eat it to by remaining a registered Independent.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
16. I don't recall asking for Sanders help in revitalizing the DNC. He ask to run in
Sun Jan 8, 2017, 07:47 PM
Jan 2017

Our primary and said he would follow our rules and now he thinks he should run the DNC. Democrats are quiet capable of running the DNC.

dlk

(12,455 posts)
24. How About Joining the Party You Want to Revitalize?
Sun Jan 8, 2017, 10:00 PM
Jan 2017

if Bernie truly cares so much about the Democratic Party, why doesn't he first join it?

jg10003

(1,029 posts)
29. Bernie IS a democrat if being a democrat means believing that government should.....
Mon Jan 9, 2017, 02:21 AM
Jan 2017

actively promote social, political, and economic equality. Bernie is NOT a democrat if being a democrat means being a dues paying member of a private club. Joe Manchin and Heidi Heitkamp are members of the club, Bernie is not. of the three, who do you consider to be the real democrat?

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