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(4,292 posts)2naSalit
(86,860 posts)...and the whores he rode in on.
Initech
(100,108 posts)dmr
(28,349 posts)To be honest, I've been saying that a lot lately.
Funny how these days, Bush*/Cheney seem almost normal to me.
I never imagined anything or anyone could surpass that disaster.
Fuck them!
Botany
(70,615 posts)And this after blocking President Obama's pick for the SCOTUS?
This was a coup.
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)The partisan political hackery of McConnell may go down in history as the turning point - when America rose up and demanded that we start functioning as a democracy!
How many Republicans held their nose and voted for the most un-Christian, bigoted, racist, misogynistic, unqualified party nominee in modern history - just to keep 'the left' from picking the next Supreme Court justice?
Just enough to turn the election (1 out of 5 R's identified this as a priority!).
SharonAnn
(13,780 posts)The Sand Reckoner
(194 posts)by decades of right wing propaganda decided they had to have a country and a world without her as president. And they now have exactly what they should have expected. They can choke on it.
Ned Flanders
(233 posts)My dislike of HRC was not due to programming by right wing propaganda. I have obsessively paid attention to events in this nation since the late 80's, and formed my opinion based upon many things/events over the course of many years.
I would not be who I am today if not for DU and the bright people who hang out here. And yet even as I shift left, DU appears to be moving to the right, dividing the Democratic party. What I thought of as core Democratic values are now being labeled as extreme. WTF?
Please learn from your mistakes. Let's not repeat them. Inclusiveness, not "I hate you because my candidate lost." Honesty, not spin, even if it means being negative about your candidate.
Thank you for your time, good neighbor.
The Sand Reckoner
(194 posts)I don't "hate" anyone because "my candidate" lost. I had no emotional investment in Hillary Clinton. I'm angry because America is royally fucked, as a result of a lot of snowflake progressives putting their "conscience" or their personal dislikes or their need to "feel good" about their vote ahead of the welfare of the country and the world.
And I know all about the opinions of people who called themselves Democrats, but refused to vote for Clinton. She was a liar, she was corrupt, she used that private e-mail server, she wasn't ideologically pure enough, they just didn't "like" her, that there was no difference between her and Trump. Oh, yeah...and she had Vincent Foster and a few dozen other people killed. Right, no propaganda there. Well, you've got ideological purity in Washington now. And all the rest, exponentially worse than anything that sane people have ever attributed to Hillary Clinton. But, as noted, that is apparently what you and a lot of other people preferred...a nation without Hillary Clinton as president. Which could only have been exactly what we have now.
As far as mistakes, the only one I see is the same one that the Nader voters failed to learn from in 2000. And I really hope the lesson you're trying to impart isn't that if the uber-left doesn't get their asses adequately kissed by the Democratic Party, they'll do the same thing in 2020 and make the rest of us sorry by giving Donald Trump and the Republicans free reign for another 4 years. Because that would really be despicable and juvenile self-indulgence if it were the case. Especially since they have failed miserably in building a truly viable third party in this country as an alternative, despite their whining disaffection every four years.
wordpix
(18,652 posts)saying F her and so on, and I asked him why he was going on like that. His response, "These emails!"
Friend or Foe
(195 posts)"Elections have consequences."
The plain fact is that the Democrats failed in getting out the vote. Period.
The silver lining though is "redemption". The fact that so many of us are now expressing our displeasure with the result and demonstrating in many different forms, forums and mediums, will likely send a message to current representatives.
Both Republican and, especially Democrats, should be made aware that it is no longer "business as usual". Democratic reps need to understand that their strategies of appeasement will not work anymore.
If you want to follow the appeasement route (Heidi Heitkamp) in order to protect your seat, then you'll have two elections (hopefully) to participate in. And it's likely, that the primary may be the harder of the two.
The other side has made it clear that they WILL NOT COMPROMISE. So, if we give in, that's not a compromise, that's appeasement. The term "appeasement" means to yield or concede to belligerent demands in a conciliatory effort, sometimes at the expense of justice or other principles.
Now is the time to draw the line in the sand and not cross it. Yes. There will be short term pain and discomfort. But the reward at the end of the struggle is worth it!
Ned Flanders
(233 posts)"Democratic reps need to understand that their strategies of appeasement will not work anymore."
Confirming Trump's nominees? FFS!
SHRED
(28,136 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)Give it to them like they gave it to us.
No Quarter.
ad infinitium
wordpix
(18,652 posts)in our nation's coffin, IMO. The R's will then have Congress (both houses), the Executive AND Supreme Ct.
We cannot count on the professionals in the Exec agencies to hold the line since Trumpenfuror will get rid of them
Wabbajack_
(1,300 posts)I get why Obama made that choice with a Republican Senate but we don't need to be evoking his name as part of the argument. Instead lets focus on Gorsuch being a corporate whore right winger who will shit on abortion rights.