Shooting at Sikh temple in Wisconsin

[Spitfire of ATJ]

Last edited Sun Aug 5, 2012, 07:40 PM - Edit history (1)

First press response while situation was still unfolding:

[Spitfire of ATJ]

1. Check out the comments on YouTube.

There's already gun nuts claiming this is yet another attempt to take away their guns.

[freshwest]

2. Sure that Infowars will be right on it, as they were on Aurora, Obama is coming for the guns...

I wonder if those are NRA paid bots, or people whose cognitive dissonance is breaking down and feel guilty...

[Spitfire of ATJ]

4. "Guilty"??? Are you kidding? From "The Party Of Personal Responsibility"?

[freshwest]

6. When a person continues to harangue and try to sell someone an idea, they are losing faith in it.

One definition says that:

Cognitive dissonance is a discomfort caused by holding conflicting cognitions (e.g., ideas, beliefs, values, emotional reactions) simultaneously. In a state of dissonance, people may feel surprise, dread, guilt, anger, or embarrassment.

There is a part of the most ardent person espousing these things that knows full well that they are wrong. Because they would not want such a thing to happen to themselves or their loved ones. They break through their wall of belief and it's hard for them to give it up and admit it.

OTOH, if we are talking about drooling, terminally insenstive maroons, who merely repeat what they are told by media, no, they don't feel any guilt. But they probably learned at an early age to not feel anything that would possibly subject them to more abuse.

They are broken and only a Road to Damascus moment would impact them. IOW, they would have to feel the pain of others and their shame and failure.

Probably not what you wanted to hear, but I'm just working my way through all of these things like many others do.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

8. "they would have to feel the pain of others and their shame and failure."

Ain't gonna happen.

Rule #1 with Right Wingers is never admit they are wrong.

They take that to the extreme where they're right, we're wrong - end of discussion.

Then they wrap themselves in the flag and claim we're unpatriotic for not agreeing with them.

[freshwest]

3. Thanks for posting this for those of us w/o tv. The third video was informative.

A lot of times when LEOs tell people or the media to not film, not do aerials, the public will assume the worst. This was clearly a rescue in process and although I'm not sure exactly how it could have caused harm to the officers or victims, with the ability to transfer that to portable devices could be a danger.

I had not thought of these details, but when they said this was a coordinated attack and there were several people, not just the old standby 'lone gunman' this seems to fit the terrorism definition. But why are they doing this now?

What is the purpose, unless they are playing out the old Nazi Party schemes of beginning race riots, etc. to overturn the government and install their dictatorship. I listened to them fulminate growing up. They wanted race riots to overturn the government and seize power.

And they reserved their biggest hatred for those hey called liberal 'race traitors.' It's the 1930s except its happening here, in bits and pieces, in slow motion.

We shouldn't be surprised after an entire generation grew up listening to Rush for almost 20 years and and Jones and Beck for 10 years. All thanks to the Koch's.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

5. I notice most posts to this group are one video per post so I wasn't sure if two were okay

and when I stumbled on the third one it stuck me as important enough to add it.

Sometimes the earliest accounts are the most telling before the PR people step in.

[freshwest]

7. Thanks for posting them, I don't think there's limit if it's the same subject.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

9. Cool. There's one I found at the Washington Post

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/wisconsin-sikh-temple-shooting-leaves-7-dead/2012/08/05/79e20f62-6ae8-4947-9794-326121870540_video.html

Very emotional.