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90-percent

(6,828 posts)
Sun May 20, 2018, 10:57 AM May 2018

Frank Zappa explains the "liberal media bias" trick

And this clip is from the mid 80's. "Nice trick".

The well worn "liberal media bias" has served Conservative Corporate Propagandists for DECADES now.
If you repeat a big lie long enough it becomes true.



Yet another example of my good taste in life long hero's. He had all this stuff figured out in High School!


-90% Jimmy
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Frank Zappa explains the "liberal media bias" trick (Original Post) 90-percent May 2018 OP
Man was a genius. Glamrock May 2018 #1
yes he was.... dhill926 May 2018 #3
There is more stupidity than hydrogen in the universe lambchopp59 May 2018 #2
I'm sooooo stealing THAT! Glamrock May 2018 #4
Um, that's a Zappa quote, 1971 if I'm not mistaken, give him credit lambchopp59 May 2018 #6
Nope. It's adapted from Harlan Ellison before Zappa wrote it in 1989 Bernardo de La Paz May 2018 #8
Thank you I'm in favor of historical accuracy 90-percent May 2018 #9
I could find no source of your sig line other than the scanned newspaper article you have seen. Bernardo de La Paz May 2018 #12
Frank was a genius in so many ways, not just musically... Ferrets are Cool May 2018 #5
Wish he were still around to expose KPN May 2018 #7
Frank spoke the truth.. mountain grammy May 2018 #10
Love and miss him. So brilliant, so creative. BlancheSplanchnik May 2018 #11
I remember back in the day Mr.Bill May 2018 #13

lambchopp59

(2,809 posts)
6. Um, that's a Zappa quote, 1971 if I'm not mistaken, give him credit
Sun May 20, 2018, 12:30 PM
May 2018
https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/frank_zappa_161538
Had we have had men with brains in office continually there would be fast trains running all over this country by now, everywhere.

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,961 posts)
8. Nope. It's adapted from Harlan Ellison before Zappa wrote it in 1989
Sun May 20, 2018, 01:21 PM
May 2018

That "brainyquote" site frequently gets quotes wrong.

https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Harlan_Ellison
The other one is the one entrepreneurs have misappropriated to emboss on buttons and bumper stickers: The two most common elements in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity.
(I don't so much mind that they pirated it, but what does honk me off is that they never get it right. They render it dull and imbecile by phrasing it thus: "The two most common things in the universe are..."
(Not things, you insensate gobbets of ambulatory giraffe dung, elements! Elements is funny, things is imprecise and semi-guttural. Things! Geezus, when will the goyim learn they don't know how to tell a joke.

Introduction to Blast Off : Rockets, Robots, Ray Guns, and Rarities from the Golden Age of Space Toys (2001) by S. Mark Young, Steve Duin, Mike Richardson, p. 6; the quote on hydrogen and stupidity is said to have originated with an essay of his in the 1960s, and is often misattributed to Frank Zappa, who made similar remarks in The Real Frank Zappa Book (1989): "Some scientists claim that hydrogen, because it is so plentiful, is the basic building block of the universe. I dispute that. I say there is more stupidity than hydrogen, and that is the basic building block of the universe."


Quote Investigator found a specific occurrence from Ellison in 1985:
https://quoteinvestigator.com/2014/01/09/hydrogen/
The earliest evidence located by QI appeared in the 1985 volume “An Edge in My Voice” by Harlan Ellison which primarily consisted of a set of columns written between 1980 and 1984.

90-percent

(6,828 posts)
9. Thank you I'm in favor of historical accuracy
Sun May 20, 2018, 01:29 PM
May 2018

There's a meme attributed to FZ that is something he would never have said;

"So many books, so little time."

He was a fierce advocate for libraries "Drop out before your mind rots from exposure to our mediocre educational system and go to the library and educate yourself, if you've got any guts".

But............

He has said that he doesn't like to read cuz it makes him sleepy. I do not think he was a book of the month club member.

-jim

ps - a veracity check of my sig line zappa quote would be helpful. I hope he did say it, but if not, I will change it cuz I don't like trafficking in FAKE NEWS

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,961 posts)
12. I could find no source of your sig line other than the scanned newspaper article you have seen.
Sun May 20, 2018, 01:55 PM
May 2018

It could be a fake, though it probably is not.

No mention of it here, which you may have also seen:

http://www.diva-portal.org/smash/get/diva2:461714/FULLTEXT02.pdf
Music, Mind and the Serious Zappa
The Passions of a Virtual Listener
Ulrik Volgsten
Stockholm University
• Studies in Musicology 9
1999/2009



And of course your Original Thread from July 2013. I could only find one parallel reference from that date, a forum thread elsewhere. And Google Groups which references your DU thread.

Ferrets are Cool

(21,103 posts)
5. Frank was a genius in so many ways, not just musically...
Sun May 20, 2018, 12:14 PM
May 2018

if you go back and listen to his "political" viewpoints, he was so precognitive. I adore the man, his music and his views.

KPN

(15,637 posts)
7. Wish he were still around to expose
Sun May 20, 2018, 12:50 PM
May 2018

all of the outrageous silliness occurring in our lives today here in America ... as only he could.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
11. Love and miss him. So brilliant, so creative.
Sun May 20, 2018, 01:47 PM
May 2018

The world lost one of its more unique geniuses...goddamn pancreatic cancer. 😪

Mr.Bill

(24,242 posts)
13. I remember back in the day
Sun May 20, 2018, 01:55 PM
May 2018

Zappa's music was so unique, even offbeat, that most people I knew thought he was a heavy drug user. Many artists, writers, musicians, etc. in history were intoxicated in some way, so I guess that's a fair assumption to make. But in Zappa's case, it was far from the truth. He was straight arrow sober, and it was me and my circle of friends who were so intoxicated we couldn't recognize it.

If he was alive today, he would probably be a Senator.

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