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Wed May 30, 2018, 07:31 PM

 

Can the Dunning Krueger Effect explain Chump and his supporters?

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Response to tomhagen (Original post)

Wed May 30, 2018, 07:48 PM

1. That no doubt plays a part.

But most of it is, as Hamilton put it, the fact that their prejudices are being flattered.

Hateful people don't want to be told they're being a problem (Dunning-Krueger); they want a tribune for their hate - and the more shameless, the better.

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Response to tomhagen (Original post)

Wed May 30, 2018, 07:49 PM

2. I understand this, and have even run into this effect in people i know.

I just want to add one caveat though.

I know and have worked with people who have significant intellectual disabilities, for instance, folks with Down Syndrome.

By and large, they have been and are acutely aware of their disability, having been mocked and bullied for much of their lives. They tend not to presume to expertise and knowledge they know they don't possess.

But yeah, we all know the Chris Claven types at the end of the bar (and in the Oval Office) who think they're experts on anything and everything.

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Response to thucythucy (Reply #2)

Wed May 30, 2018, 08:11 PM

3. You might mean Cliff Claven.

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Response to rickford66 (Reply #3)

Wed May 30, 2018, 08:22 PM

4. Yes indeed!

Thank you for the correction!

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Response to thucythucy (Reply #2)

Wed May 30, 2018, 09:00 PM

5. Chris Clavin? The Folk Punk musician accused of sexual misconduct?

Little known fact: You can look up almost any name on the internet and find an interesting story.

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Response to tomhagen (Original post)

Wed May 30, 2018, 09:04 PM

6. "The best lack all conviction, while the worst/ Are full of passionate intensity."

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Response to tclambert (Reply #6)

Wed May 30, 2018, 10:13 PM

7. Boy, does that describe....

Trump and his deplorables to a tee!

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Response to tclambert (Reply #6)

Thu May 31, 2018, 11:09 AM

9. "The Second Coming' was written by Yeats in 1919 and published in 1920...

after WWI. Soon to be 100 years old and still frequently quoted and its lines still referred to in titles of newer literary works. Just one problem: the PTB have still not gotten the point.

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Response to tomhagen (Original post)

Thu May 31, 2018, 09:32 AM

8. Was it Mark Twain who said the man who says "I'm no fool" usually has his doubts

(and if that is actually attributable to Will Rogers, forgive me).

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Response to Texin (Reply #8)

Thu May 31, 2018, 01:14 PM

10. I searched wikiquotes and couldn't find it. But I did uncover this Mark Twain gem:

When the doctrine of allegiance to party can utterly up-end a man's moral constitution and make a temporary fool of him besides, what excuse are you going to offer for preaching it, teaching it, extending it, perpetuating it? Shall you say, the best good of the country demands allegiance to party? Shall you also say it demands that a man kick his truth and his conscience into the gutter, and become a mouthing lunatic, besides? - Mark Twain, from a speech in 1887

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