TYT The trump Presidency is Over

[tomhagen]

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1. Cenk Uygur can't be trusted. He's screaming at Dems to go for impeachment...

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now before the election as if Pelosi doesn't know that it rests with getting 67 Senators in the Senate to find trump guilty no matterf what the House Democrats do. And they can't do anything with Ryan still in charge in the House.

Absolutely horrible advice for Democrats and he has to know that.

[ProfessorPlum]

3. no he's not

that is a complete lie.

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4. I watched the show. Apparently you did not. He's not to be trusted...

He called for us to run on impeachment NOW which is not good advice.

[ProfessorPlum]

6. Link please

It should be easy to find, they post everything on YouTube. Put up or shut up.

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7. I don't have to put up anything. I watched the show.

If it's so easy to find, you find it.

Apparently you don't know the back story behind him.

[ProfessorPlum]

8. I call bullshit

Cenk is 100x smarter than you and he knows that you can't even start impeachment unless you control the House. He has been talking about how Donald is essentially done, criminally, and seems to think he will resign before the midterms. A bold prediction, but one that has nothing to do with impeachment.

See this for example:

And before you go making unsubstantiated claims, please have something to back up your BS.

[videohead5]

2. Remember

That woman that claimed Trump brutally raped her multiple times when she was only 13 years old. she dropped her lawsuit because she received death threats. I just wonder if Mueller is looking into that? she had an eye witness.

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5. OK, but what does that have to do with the OP?

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9. If Uygur knows all that, and I don't doubt that he does, as we all do...

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then why was he pushing Dems to demand and run on impeachment now?

Not to be trusted. Watch the show and then research him.

[ProfessorPlum]

10. I see, I see what you are saying

He is saying make it part of the messaging.

So what? That would be strong messaging for the Democrats. When their messaging is usually relatively weak.

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11. IMO it wouldn't be smart messaging at all. Why rile up the repug base...

to rally behind the repugs and trump by showing up at the polls in November even more than before, especially when the votes aren't there to deliver on impeachment?

Uygur knows that. We shouldn't fall for being baited into that okey doke.

[ProfessorPlum]

12. your opinion may vary

Cenk has good political instincts. It will probably be every Democrat for themselves as far as messaging goes - but it would probably be easy to run against an indicted felon, especially when the Republicans will be too scared to distance themselves from the Orange criminal.

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13. We're talking about the November election and taking back the House...

With the developments of the last week I doubt trump will be around to run against in 2020.

Uygur on his show was urging Democrats to run on impeachment for the November election. Not good advice IMO.

[ProfessorPlum]

14. You're welcome to your opinion

And I consider it seriously. You may even be correct. But that doesn't make CU untrustworthy. Just someone with a slightly different strategy for beating the tar out of the GOP in November.

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15. I suggested before that you do some research on his funding...

from the right.

You really should find out more.

[ProfessorPlum]

16. Way to keep stirring up suspicions against

Progressive allies. With luck we'll never all get together for united action.

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17. Stir it up or inform? Don't you think you should find out?

https://www.dailywire.com/news/19496/young-turks-who-hate-money-politics-just-received-jacob-airey

[ProfessorPlum]

18. That is the most yellow journalism

I've seen in a long time. Obviously meant to smear and insinuate. They've talked about their funding several times on the show, what they feel is it's effect, their editorial policy, money in general. They are open about it, and their policy prescriptions are genuinely progressive and against corporate control of government. I only wish more political commentators had such an awareness of how the profit motive should be separate from governance. As for TYT, it is a business that needs funding to grow. Not a government.

I mean, Jesus, "Armenian holocaust denier"? Ana is Armenian-American.

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19. Ok, the funders have no effect on the content of the show ever...

when I just saw him vehemently urging Democrats to run on impeachment for the Nov. election?

[ProfessorPlum]

20. Running on impeachment is a fine strategy

If you choose to do it wholeheartedly. Your opinion on that may vary. But holding that opinion is not a sign that TYT is compromised. That's nuts.

Unless you think a rich hedge fund person is investing in the most popular political show on YouTube, one that constantly and consistently rails against corruption and corporate control of government, is twelve dimensional chess.

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21. Running on impeachment now for Nov. with the country's future at stake is foolhardy.

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And anyone recommending it is either unwise/naive or they have another agenda.

If we inflame the deplorables to turn out in droves in Nov. in reaction to us yelling to impeach trump now resulting in us not winning the House or Senate, it's all down hill for the country after that as trump will be rampant as his polcies will have been given the green light.

If that happens, hell, Putin might as well move in as he will have won total victory in installing his puppet.

If we run on the issues like healthcare and win, after the election then we will have the speakership and the ability to move bills to the floor for a vote; we will have the committee chairs with the ability to subpoena, hold hearings and investigations on trump's rotten ass.

Now is not the time though to be hollaring impeachment.

[ProfessorPlum]

22. that's like, your opinion, man

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23. And thank God like Pelosi's and most of the Dem leadership.

We need to win in Nov. then we proceed to dealing with trump, not before.

[ProfessorPlum]

24. Because Pelosi and the Democratic leadership

Are so good at keeping Republicans out of power. Got it.

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25. You know repugs cheat, right...Putin, gerrymandering, vote suppression, and on an on

Let's see what happens in Nov.

Just to be clear, you're on our side, right?

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

26. Do you honestly think the gop 'base' isnt already riled up and will be at election time?

don has broken the law. its incumbent on the congress to impeach him. Their base is smaller than ours. We cant win elections by pussy footing around about if we are going to "upset the gop base". We didnt ask for any of this, but, it's our job to recognize and deal with it. If it was Hillary in his position...what would the gop do? We cant be afraid of upset snowflakes on the right. imho.

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27. The election is a little more than two months off. If we take back the House we wiil...

be in charge there. We will have the speakership and the ability to take bills to the floor for voting; we will have the committee chairs and their subpoena power, their ability to hold hearings and conduct investigations into trump's dirty dealings.

We don't have any of that now. IMO we should concentrate on winning the House in Nov. and move on trump after that.

Mueller and the SDNY will be continuing their work also which has the potential to make the case for impeachment even stronger once we get the power back.

Where does hollaring about impeachment now get us when we can't deliver now? And if you watched that TYT video to about the eleven minute mark, Uygur is hawking a T-shirt he's selling lettered with a huge "IMPEACHMENT" on it.

Come on, folks. Let's not fall for the okey doke. We're already favored to take back the House. Let's be smart.

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

28. Oh definitely after the election. I wish Mueller would come up with something before that.

We outnumber them 2 to 1. It's ok for some of "our' media to talk about that. It's flat out not ok. If we act like its no big deal, then it raises the question..."Why?" Makes us look like we have something to hide ourselves. NEVER is transparency a bad thing, and some sunlight is a great antiseptic. All my opinion.
TYT can get crazy sometimes.