911 call released from that Neurotic White lady in the Park psycho over Blacks Bar-B- Q ing

[tomhagen]

[dalton99a]

1. "So that coals don't burn more children and we have to pay more taxes"

- Jennifer Schulte, certified racist asshole

[pazzyanne]

2. Becky needs more than police help.

I hope the police were able to steer her to an ER where her issues could be addressed.

[heaven05]

3. typical of current

type of person, who no matter their perverted, convoluted, pretzel bending rationals, harass and hate ALL African-americans.

[HuskyOffset]

4. At one point the 911 operator asked her

if she had been in a mental institution.

[cstanleytech]

5. Why the hell call the police over someone grilling where they should not in a park?

Granted if the issue was they were grilling when "all" grilling was banned in the parks due to a potential fire risk due to a drought I could maybe understand but that was not the case here.

[lunamagica]

6. That one got away with it. She was never outed

[Racerdog1]

7. Is that you Sarah Suckabee Sanders?

[LiberalLovinLug]

8. I've watched the other one with the video

Its so predictable but when she finally finally realizes that the police have determined that the black folks bbqing are not in the wrong, and that nothing she can do will drive them off.....she does what many conservative snowflakes do ,breaks down and cries in a puddle of self pity. All to draw attention to herself as the REAL victim. One way or another she'll get someone to feel sorry for her. Of course these fragile deplorables know that by breaking down the police, any human, will naturally soften to them.

[Kali]

9. she is an idiot but that second dispatcher was over the line in my opinion.

[iluvtennis]

10. I disagree, the second 911 dispatcher made the correct statement "I just don't understand why there

is an issue with someone barbecuing"

[Kali]

15. asking if she had been in a mental hospital?

seems out of line for a dispatcher to ask that for that particular call. maybe snark on the internet, but how is that helping the situation in any way?

[hueymahl]

26. Sounds like a legitimate question to me

The dispatcher was concerned for her safety and the safety of others.

[BumRushDaShow]

11. The 2nd dispatcher was fine

she was trying to not only diffuse the situation but trying to get more information from the woman so that when police did arrive, they would be able to determine where exactly she was and how they could identify her in a crowded park.

It's ironic when the 1st (apparent white male) dispatcher asked for the race of the bbqers she quickly complied. But when the 2nd (apparent black female) dispatcher asked her her race, she refused to say.... because ("white is universal" and how dare some n****ress ask her for that) it "doesn't matter".

The bizarre thing is that she stayed there for 2 hours apparently patrolling and lording over these bbqers while "waiting for the police" rather than just leaving and calling the police back within a more reasonable time than 2 hours - although it is ridiculous to even do so - let alone use 911 for something like that.

This is the epitome of "white privilege".

[Quixote1818]

13. We had the exact same observations. nt

[Kali]

14. the first dispatcher told her the cops would call her when they got there and the second dispatcher

was really pushing for her description "so they could find her" and when she tried to say what the first dispatcher told her just talked over her. second dispatcher did try to get her to get away from the situation and that was good. asking about being in a mental hospital was uncalled for.

otherwise I agree the woman is an ass for calling the cops in the first place, and hanging around for two hours to try and have cops harass somebody having a bbq in a public park is ridiculous. I just got a (perhaps understandable) unprofessional undertone from the second dispatcher.

[BumRushDaShow]

16. Guaranteed that these dispatchers get crank calls

and calls from addicts and others daily and this woman sounded like someone tripped out....which is why the dispatcher asked if she was "living in the park" because many drug addicts DO "live in parks" and just about anyplace they can find a bench to lay on. And since so many treatment facilities have closed or are full, it is difficult to help everyone who needs it and they are summarily dumped out on the streets.

So it was possible (from the dispatcher's POV) that this woman may have previously been in a facility and was recently released. I.e., she was not acting "normal" because she was behaving as if she were under some threat of physical harm or death from people bbqing in a park after she confronted and harassed them insisting that they leave and they refused.

Much of the cross-talk on the call was because she apparently "stole" something from a woman (I'm guessing one of the people bbqing) who was yelling at her in the background (a "card"? couldn't tell exactly what the woman was saying). The dispatcher even asked her multiple times who was talking in the background and "who was she with".... And... crocodile tears.

[Kali]

19. that could be

I don't have much experience with urban dispatch, around here they are usually calling me LOL (reports of livestock on the roads and such)

yeah I wonder what that card or whatever she stole was.

[Ms. Toad]

21. From the video tape -

my recollection is that it was a business card that the woman (later following her and accusing her of being a theif) held out to her, but apparently didn't want her to take.

[Quixote1818]

17. She only asked about the mental hospital after she asked her like 3 times what her ethnicity was

The dispatcher was getting frustrated as she was wasting her time. I think the dispatcher also may have thought she might be a paranoid schizophrenic because she seemed paranoid to give that information. and they deal with them a lot.

[Ms. Toad]

20. I agree that her behavior was bizarre and uncalled for.

Technically the folks doing the barbecuing were in breach of local ordinances (I've looked at the park maps, there are places where charcoal grilling is permitted, and places where it is not. They were in a place it was not permitted. So call it in, if you feel you have to - but if you do, you'd better call it in regardless of the race of the people barbecuing. Them move on. Don't hang out for 2 hours waiting for police to come.

But the behavior of the woman who followed her down the street accusing her of being a criminal because she took a business card that she held out for her to see was also over the top. She finally left. Call and report her to the police for harassing behavior, turn the videotape that you've been making for part of the last two hours over to the police as evidence. Then let her go.

And the second dispatcher's behavior was over the top, in my opinion.

The dispatcher indicated she had the earlier report in front of her - yet she simultaneously seemed to have no clue about the streets in the area (they are clearly marked on maps of the park - that's how I found the rules) yet simultaneously insisted repeatedly that police were on the way. The dispatcher could clearly hear her tring to get away, being followed, and yelled at, and on the verge of panic.

The first dispatcher had every reason to ignore her - but should have informed her the call was low priority and would have to wait. As to the second caller, e Even though she was an idiot (almost certainly a racist idiot) for deciding to hang around to make sure the police actually arrived for a minor park violation, the woman was clearly upset - and the second dispatcher should have been working more diligently to get officers to the location - in case the woman following her and harassing her did actually have weapons. Being a racist jerk does not give someone else the right to follow you down the street, defame you, and threaten you beyond the point at which you cause an actual threat. (My perception that the dispatcher was not working diligently to get police there comes from the notes above - you can't send someone to a location of which you are ignorant, and more than 3/4 of the way through the tape she is asking questions that demonstrate she has no clue - is that an apartment complex?.)

(To her credit - the second dispatcher was trying to get her to move away - she was just not paying sufficient attention to the fact that the woman was moving away adn being followed.)

[BumRushDaShow]

22. Here are some facts

But the behavior of the woman who followed her down the street accusing her of being a criminal because she took a business card that she held out for her to see was also over the top. She finally left.

The "woman" who "followed her" was the one who recorded the video and was the white wife of one of the bbqers (whose friend was the one originally confronted by Schulte). I.e.,

The incident went viral in part because of a video filmed by Michelle Snider, the wife of Kenzie Smith, one of the men who was grilling. He had contacted Snider, who is white, after Schulte first called the cops. Schulte soon became widely known as “BBQ Becky” on social media.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bbq-becky-911-calls-grill_us_5b8c0f07e4b0162f4724a74c

Snider (the wife and recorder of the video) was concerned that the woman who spent 2 hours harassing her husband and her and their 18-year old daughters, his friend, and at least one other attendee, would attempt to get her husband fired from his job that apparently had to do with being a fire safety expert. The "card" was apparently an attempt at showing "proof" that he would have been trained on fire safety if the concern was about "charcoal burning children", which was one of Schulte's apparent rants.

The dispatcher indicated she had the earlier report in front of her - yet she simultaneously seemed to have no clue about the streets in the area (they are clearly marked on maps of the park - that's how I found the rules) yet simultaneously insisted repeatedly that police were on the way. The dispatcher could clearly hear her tring to get away, being followed, and yelled at, and on the verge of panic.

Here is what was included in the police log -

Police evaluated Schulte for a 5150 psychiatric hold, but determined "she didn't fit the criteria." A 5150 in California allows a police officer or another professional to take a person into custody for up to 72 hours to evaluate their mental state and whether they are a danger to themselves or to others.

http://www.ktvu.com/news/oakland-police-release-log-of-events-from-bbq-controversy-at-lake-merritt

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The police report shows that Schulte called 911 twice; the first time, the report listed it as level 3, or low priority. And the "weapon" was listed as the charcoal grill. On the second call, the call was elevated to 1, which is the highest level and usually when police show up with weapons. But the officer who arrived handled the situation peacefully. Schulte was evaluated for a 5150 psychiatric hold, but "she did not fit the criteria," according to the police report. The officer advised Abram and Smith that they could not use a charcoal grill and they agreed to pack up and leave.

https://www.eastbayexpress.com/oakland/kenzie-smith-speaks-out/Content?oid=16513492

So when the 2nd dispatcher gets this call (and possibly seeing an initial report that a bbq grill was now suddenly a "weapon" ) and could not get any type of clear information out of her including her exact location, the behavior would seem to fit the "5150" and justify questioning about whether she had been to the city's psychiatric facility. And when that was denied, something was passed on to the responding officers to confirm whether there was a "5150" issue. I.e., the dispatcher was apparently doing what she was trained to do and the responding officers could make that judgement call face-to-face when they were able to finally engage the caller.

The police log is here where the responding officers do in fact make a judgement call on the 5150 and decide not to act after apparently watching what amounted to two white females arguing.

And to put a finer point on it, what we are seeing are cultural issues. Shulte is a native of North Dakota (born, raised, and schooled through undergrad) and most likely had little interaction with blacks until she went to grad school in California -

But the California university distanced itself from her on Twitter, writing, “According to our records, a person by this name earned graduate degrees at Stanford more than a decade ago. She is not employed as staff or as a faculty member.” An entry on a Stanford website shows that she was part of the James Swartz Research Group in the chemical engineering and bioengineering department.

Schulte is a North Dakota native and attended the University of North Dakota for her undergraduate degree in chemical engineering. She has lived in Oakland since 2006.

https://heavy.com/news/2018/05/jennifer-schulte-bbq-becky/

As a note, Michelle Snider who recorded the incident, and again to underscore, is the white wife of one of the men being harassed (Kenzie Smith, who is also a community organizer and activist and was running for Oakland City Council) eventually provided her story and perspective as a white wife of a black man.

As an excerpt of what she wrote that gets to the point -

I knew that I was the only one who could confront the white woman, who has recently been identified as Jennifer Schulte. I could imagine a black woman doing what I did and felt certain that if that were the case, there would be more urgent calls for police to come to the scene from people in the apartments across the street overlooking the lake.

As long as I did not touch Schulte, who was pretending to be on the phone with police when I walked up to her, I would likely not be arrested or even touched by a police officer. We would look like two crazy white women arguing in the street, and, in general, society sees white women as harmless and nonthreatening.

https://www.theroot.com/when-barbecuing-and-living-while-black-becomes-a-crime-1826331033#_ga=2.217113553.636672097.1535309212-672666105.1525787005

And when you look at what the police report noted - this is what they basically saw - 2 (white) women arguing. There was no escalation, no slamming either of them on the ground and hauling them off in the squad car. If the black woman also recording had done what the white wife had done, she would have been toast. That's how it goes in America.

[Ms. Toad]

25. I was primarily discussing the behavior of the 2nd dispatcher during the call.

When dispatchers receive a call from somoene in a state of near panic, with agitated angry shouting at that caller in the background, the priority should be to get a car on the scene immediately.

A mental health assessment is clearly in order, but the priority should have been to immediately clarify the location and to get someone on the scene, in the event the person shouting at the caller was armed, or decided to take matters into her own hand.

Why Snider was chasing Schulte, what the officers saw when they arrived, whether the first call was appropriate, whether Schulte hanging around for 2 hours was approproate - all of that is irrelevant to how the dispatcher responds to the phone call from a panicked woman being chased down the street being yelled at.

I am not defending Schulte's behavior - it was almost certainly motivated by race, and no one with the brains they were born with would hang around for 2 hours waiting for police to arrive to move a barbecue party to the area where charcoal is permitted. My concern is the response by the dispatcher. Had this been a real emergency (which the dispatcher could not have ruled out from teh audible sounds on the tape), police would have arrived far too late to do anything beyond picking up the pieces.

[BumRushDaShow]

27. "I was primarily discussing the behavior of the 2nd dispatcher during the call."

And you keep ignoring the fact that repeated attempts were made over and over and over and over to get the information in order to send the police to the correct location and to attempt to determine one way to help diffuse a situation by instructing the woman to leave the immediate area - which apparently took some goading for her to finally do. And at some point you have to verbally "break through" what had essentially become a circular disjointed conversation that was going nowhere.

Why Snider was chasing Schulte, what the officers saw when they arrived, whether the first call was appropriate, whether Schulte hanging around for 2 hours was approproate - all of that is irrelevant to how the dispatcher responds to the phone call from a panicked woman being chased down the street being yelled at.

It's absolutely NOT "irrelevant" because what was going on "in the background" was clearly impacting the dispatcher's ability to obtain the necessary information in order to send the patrols to the correct location and provide them with any additional situational expectations as necessary, so that they could respond appropriately.

Had this been a real emergency (which the dispatcher could not have ruled out from teh audible sounds on the tape), police would have arrived far too late to do anything beyond picking up the pieces.

It's obvious too that you didn't read what I posted because it was that 2nd dispatcher who was actually the one who escalated this incident to a "priority 1", which was the highest priority.

[IronLionZion]

23. Believing that white is the default race or the default American is white entitlement

and her apparently fearful and frustrated attitude over the police not responding quickly to dangerous bbqers living life hurting nobody.

Maybe when calling 911, these people should ask to speak to a white dispatcher. That would tip off the dispatcher that they're dealing with a racist idiot.

[BumRushDaShow]

24. "Maybe when calling 911, these people should ask to speak to a white dispatcher."

The 1st dispatcher actually prioritized the call at a low level and the 2nd dispatcher escalated it to a high priority, so perhaps making such a request might not work all the time.

A link to the police log is in my post here - https://www.democraticunderground.com/1017508905#post22

[Quixote1818]

12. My guess is the 1st dispatcher did not report this. He probably thought it was a waste of time

for cops.

[George II]

18. This happened a few weeks later, beautiful: