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Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Joins Protestors At Pelosi's Office (Original Post) BeyondGeography Nov 2018 OP
The special interests standing in the way re the donations are the unions JHan Nov 2018 #1
Also, healthcare was the main st concerning issue to people, the economy, immigration, still_one Nov 2018 #5
I think Dems can multitask on this, but I also think it's stunning ignorance for anyone JHan Nov 2018 #7
I agree, but I would think it would be prudent that the initial emphasis should be on those things still_one Nov 2018 #13
Yeah, right now we have a President just removing regulations like no one's business. JHan Nov 2018 #15
yup still_one Nov 2018 #17
The most important issue affecting Americans right now is healthcare, and at a minimum restoring still_one Nov 2018 #2
No, they don't. JHan Nov 2018 #4
I hate the damn auto correct feature on the damn for. It wasn't media, it was "the most important still_one Nov 2018 #8
I was agreeing with ya :) JHan Nov 2018 #9
I thought the initial auto-correct messed up my meaning. oh well, thanks still_one Nov 2018 #10
I do agree with Cortez and Pelosi that green jobs should be a priority. JHan Nov 2018 #14
and that is fine, but why stage a protest in front of Nancy Pelosi's office. I guess they didn't still_one Nov 2018 #18
Well not staged by her I think but based on what she said, I don't see the disagreement.. JHan Nov 2018 #19
no it wasn't staged by her, but Pelosi has also been environmentally friendly, and for reducing use still_one Nov 2018 #20
Indeed, Cortez acknowledged that ( re Nancy) JHan Nov 2018 #26
Their issue is that the DNC has retracted their position in taking donations from big oil. Even OAC still_one Nov 2018 #29
They dare not mention who pushed for that rule change because it will mess with their narratives. JHan Nov 2018 #31
Well stated still_one Nov 2018 #33
And I must be a different sort of person, because if I were her, and this was my passion.. JHan Nov 2018 #34
This had me baffled as well. Hulk Nov 2018 #35
yep +++ It's weird for sure. Several things I've noticed about anti-pelosi people: JHan Nov 2018 #36
I will also say that Nancy handled this so well. : ) :) :) :) JHan Nov 2018 #28
So OAC is going to dictate to Nancy Pelosi. comradebillyboy Nov 2018 #3
Repugs are not going to work with a green pac. Come on. brush Nov 2018 #6
The nerve of her! this is what she told the group. Autumn Nov 2018 #11
This BeyondGeography Nov 2018 #12
And people rush in to trash her without even listening to what she said. Autumn Nov 2018 #16
She didn't say anything wrong, the problem is the protesters are protesting the wrong people. still_one Nov 2018 #22
No they are not protesting the wrong people and they know exactly what they are protesting. Autumn Nov 2018 #23
If they are concerned about the DNC political contributions from big oil then they should still_one Nov 2018 #27
PAC contributions have been a concern for years stands to reason it's a concern now. nt Autumn Nov 2018 #30
Yes, but unless it occurs accross the board, you will be cutting your nose off to spite your face. still_one Nov 2018 #32
Yes, it's not like she taking on anything important, let's just roll over and play dead. Autumn Nov 2018 #38
Thank you. nt Quixote1818 Nov 2018 #37
She shall certainly be a refreshing voice in the national dialog . . . Journeyman Nov 2018 #21
That's What The Trump Voters Said, Too! ProfessorGAC Nov 2018 #24
Her first day is in January JonLP24 Nov 2018 #39
I Didn't Compare Anybody To Trump ProfessorGAC Nov 2018 #42
Looks like the passing of the baton is going to upset a lot of people. Autumn Nov 2018 #25
Ya. Beto is "refreshing", too. Wintryjade Nov 2018 #41
I do not know what the "protest" was about. The words AOC used is the Democratic Party position. Wintryjade Nov 2018 #40

still_one

(92,061 posts)
5. Also, healthcare was the main st concerning issue to people, the economy, immigration,
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 03:03 PM
Nov 2018

women’s rights, gun policy, taxes, foreign policy..... all above 65%

Right or wrong climate change ranks about 50%

Healthcare, the economy, and immigration, 80%

JHan

(10,173 posts)
7. I think Dems can multitask on this, but I also think it's stunning ignorance for anyone
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 03:08 PM
Nov 2018

to ignore what was behind the decision to allow employees at fossil fuel companies donate to the party.

People need to know better if they're serious about solving problems and not just grandstanding.

still_one

(92,061 posts)
13. I agree, but I would think it would be prudent that the initial emphasis should be on those things
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 03:17 PM
Nov 2018

most concerning to the American populace, not the most important issue to the green party


and of course we need bring back the environmental changes that President Obama implemented, that the draconian emperor took away, and abide by the Paris accords






still_one

(92,061 posts)
2. The most important issue affecting Americans right now is healthcare, and at a minimum restoring
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 02:55 PM
Nov 2018

the subsidies and no pre-existing conditions that trump and the republicans took away

Does anyone even bother to listen to what people said was the most important issue?

still_one

(92,061 posts)
8. I hate the damn auto correct feature on the damn for. It wasn't media, it was "the most important
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 03:08 PM
Nov 2018

issue for Americans " is healthcare, and it came out media with the auto-correct.

Anyway, healthcare Healthcare, the economy, and immigration were the top three from the polling done. It isn't my opinion

JHan

(10,173 posts)
14. I do agree with Cortez and Pelosi that green jobs should be a priority.
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 03:17 PM
Nov 2018

I am just tired hearing the DNC talking point re donations.

I've no problem with activism like this either, but I hope they don't get it twisted - Dems are the only ones trying to make climate change a serious agenda.

still_one

(92,061 posts)
18. and that is fine, but why stage a protest in front of Nancy Pelosi's office. I guess they didn't
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 03:24 PM
Nov 2018

want to schedule a meeting with Nancy Pelosi because...………………………….

JHan

(10,173 posts)
19. Well not staged by her I think but based on what she said, I don't see the disagreement..
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 03:26 PM
Nov 2018

Optics wise it's a hairball.

I'll just say this wasn't the best way to handle it.

And youth is no excuse.

I'll lean on Nancy's take of the whole thing.

still_one

(92,061 posts)
20. no it wasn't staged by her, but Pelosi has also been environmentally friendly, and for reducing use
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 03:32 PM
Nov 2018

of fossil fuels and other elements contributing to climate change

What I find interesting, and this isn't directed at Cortez, but a lot of these protests seem to be directed at the wrong people

I really have to wonder if these protesters even are aware where Pelosi stands on these issues, because they are protesting someone who essentially agrees with them.

It is insane




JHan

(10,173 posts)
26. Indeed, Cortez acknowledged that ( re Nancy)
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 04:00 PM
Nov 2018

I'd rather them be making McConnell's life a hell at his office. Of all offices I'd be at today, Pelosi's wouldn't be the one...That's strange to me, but whatevs. Their right I guess.

still_one

(92,061 posts)
29. Their issue is that the DNC has retracted their position in taking donations from big oil. Even OAC
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 04:38 PM
Nov 2018

is aware I believe that cannot be realistically done unilaterally without cutting your nose off to spite your face.

You have to get rid of PACs in our political system until that is feasible




JHan

(10,173 posts)
31. They dare not mention who pushed for that rule change because it will mess with their narratives.
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 04:45 PM
Nov 2018

Matter of fact I think they know but politically they don't care to discuss the details behind it .

JHan

(10,173 posts)
34. And I must be a different sort of person, because if I were her, and this was my passion..
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 04:51 PM
Nov 2018

my first order of business as a legislator would be to craft law to make green jobs feasible in my district.

assess closely the link with infrastructure, improving costs, and work on devising some econ plan tied to green jobs. That's the first thing I would be doing.

The job of a legislator is to craft bills. She should get a quick start on it, one sure way to show your colleagues and more importantly your constituents that you're not on games is to show strong intent to be useful and get shit done.

 

Hulk

(6,699 posts)
35. This had me baffled as well.
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 04:52 PM
Nov 2018

I'm a Pelosi supporter 100%. Yes, she is a career politician, and she is able to relate to the youth and the real problems of today, but the mantel is going to have to be passed along to someone who is knowledgeable and efficient, as Nancy Pelosi has been.

I want to scream when I hear Democratic congressmen and women bashing Pelosi. She's done more for health care than ANY other congressperson, past or present. Without her muscle and hard work, we NEVER would have gotten it through. It's only a part of what it needs to be, but it was a foothold, and now the public have realized they are NOT willing to let it slip away.

So, protest if you must, but I agree that protesting in front of mcTurtlehead's office makes a hell of alot more sense than making it look like you are protesting Pelosi. Quit shooting ourselves in the foot!

JHan

(10,173 posts)
36. yep +++ It's weird for sure. Several things I've noticed about anti-pelosi people:
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 05:00 PM
Nov 2018

And I say this as someone who wants the mantle passed, I am all for new blood...

The people who want her removed don't actually want to do the hard work to remove her, they want her to remove herself, they want her to perform weakness, they want her to admit that she is unworthy to be speaker. Yes they want her gone, but they want her to amputate herself.

Note the arguments "It's time for her to go" Notably absent from these fucking jokers is any discussion on how to persuade their colleagues to not support her. Very little discussion about changing epople's minds of challenging her in a fair fight and winning it. In other words, what is their strategy? Why has their strategy failed? It's not just down to Nancy. They have failed to make their case and they want her to pay for them failing to make their case.

And I am told that these are the sorts of people I should have confidence in to run Democrats in the House.

As for progressives pushing this, knowing who is behind the anti-pelosi attacks, makes me realise some progressives have no fucking clue what the hell they want.


comradebillyboy

(10,128 posts)
3. So OAC is going to dictate to Nancy Pelosi.
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 02:55 PM
Nov 2018

Hope she like her seat on the House select committee on toilet paper.

Autumn

(44,986 posts)
11. The nerve of her! this is what she told the group.
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 03:14 PM
Nov 2018
Should leader Pelosi become the next Speaker of the House we we need to tell her that we've got her back in showing and pursing the most progressive energy agenda that this country has ever seen.



The rest of the video is the best interview I have ever heard a politician give. Fuck all her detractors.

still_one

(92,061 posts)
22. She didn't say anything wrong, the problem is the protesters are protesting the wrong people.
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 03:40 PM
Nov 2018

Are they even aware where Pelosi stands on these issues:

Voted NO on opening Outer Continental Shelf to oil drilling. (May 2011)
Voted NO on barring EPA from regulating greenhouse gases. (Apr 2011)
Voted YES on enforcing limits on CO2 global warming pollution. (Jun 2009)
Voted YES on tax incentives for energy production and conservation. (May 2008)
Voted YES on tax incentives for renewable energy. (Feb 2008)
Voted YES on investing in homegrown biofuel. (Aug 2007)
Voted YES on removing oil & gas exploration subsidies. (Jan 2007)
Voted NO on scheduling permitting for new oil refinieries. (Jun 2006)
Voted NO on authorizing construction of new oil refineries. (Oct 2005)
Voted NO on passage of the Bush Administration national energy policy. (Jun 2004)
Voted NO on implementing Bush-Cheney national energy policy. (Nov 2003)
Voted YES on raising CAFE standards; incentives for alternative fuels. (Aug 2001)
Voted YES on prohibiting oil drilling & development in ANWR. (Aug 2001)
Voted YES on starting implementation of Kyoto Protocol. (Jun 2000)
Regulate wholesale electricity & gas prices. (Mar 2001)
Preserve Alaska's ANWR instead of drilling it. (Feb 2001)
Rated 100% by the CAF, indicating support for energy independence. (Dec 2006)
50% clean and carbon free electricity by 2030. (Mar 2016)

Autumn

(44,986 posts)
23. No they are not protesting the wrong people and they know exactly what they are protesting.
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 03:43 PM
Nov 2018

People should try listening to what they are saying instead of whining that they are disrespecting others when they aren't.

still_one

(92,061 posts)
27. If they are concerned about the DNC political contributions from big oil then they should
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 04:12 PM
Nov 2018

be protesting Perez. Cortez is savey to know that it makes no sense unless such PAC contributions are blocked for all of Congress, DNC and RNC.

still_one

(92,061 posts)
32. Yes, but unless it occurs accross the board, you will be cutting your nose off to spite your face.
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 04:45 PM
Nov 2018

Right or wrong, that is the political reality

The amount of money spent on political advertisements through PACS was obscene. The networks made a bundle




Autumn

(44,986 posts)
38. Yes, it's not like she taking on anything important, let's just roll over and play dead.
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 05:23 PM
Nov 2018

Yay team! It's not like climate change is an important or pressing issue.

In the words of the esteemed Shrub... Who cares we'll all be dead.




Journeyman

(15,026 posts)
21. She shall certainly be a refreshing voice in the national dialog . . .
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 03:35 PM
Nov 2018

Let us hope the media gives her sufficient coverage.

ProfessorGAC

(64,877 posts)
24. That's What The Trump Voters Said, Too!
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 03:51 PM
Nov 2018

You know, drain the swamp and all that rubbish.

I just think it's ridiculous that someone thinks it a good idea to do this on the first day on the new job. And it's not even the job, just yet.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
39. Her first day is in January
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 07:22 PM
Nov 2018

What is wrong with meeting with protestors? Please don't compare her to Trump. Unless she is proposing kids in cages the analogy doesn't fit.

 

Wintryjade

(814 posts)
40. I do not know what the "protest" was about. The words AOC used is the Democratic Party position.
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 07:30 PM
Nov 2018

Just a new "us" is saying it. I do not get why or who made this a divisive moment in the Democratic Party. Now, I do not know if more was said. But what I hear here, is exactly what our Democratic Leadership and party have, and are saying repeatedly> She merely supported the Democratic position.

What am I missing here, and who made this a battle between the Democrats?

We need to start calling this garbage out, immediately.

(Unless I messed something.).

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