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John Meacham: Trump's actions the very Definition of Treason (Original Post) tomhagen Dec 2018 OP
Did he just say Trump and treasonous in the same sentence? usaf-vet Dec 2018 #1
'If in fact,' he didn't say his actions ARE. elleng Dec 2018 #2
He's correct. The soon to be stock market tanking, will turn enough 401K'ers off ffr Dec 2018 #3
This has seemed obvious to me since the beginning. It's like everyone knew it Quixote1818 Dec 2018 #4
Maybe not treason .... Shoonra Dec 2018 #5

usaf-vet

(6,181 posts)
1. Did he just say Trump and treasonous in the same sentence?
Tue Dec 18, 2018, 02:25 PM
Dec 2018

Now we are getting to the root of the problem.

Carry on Mr. Meacham ...... tell me more.

elleng

(130,865 posts)
2. 'If in fact,' he didn't say his actions ARE.
Tue Dec 18, 2018, 02:30 PM
Dec 2018

Headlines are not reliable barometers; entire videos are better.

ffr

(22,669 posts)
3. He's correct. The soon to be stock market tanking, will turn enough 401K'ers off
Tue Dec 18, 2018, 03:10 PM
Dec 2018

That the KGOPs traitorous actions won't get the pass they are hoping for.

Let's see who rats whom out in the coming weeks.

Quixote1818

(28,928 posts)
4. This has seemed obvious to me since the beginning. It's like everyone knew it
Tue Dec 18, 2018, 03:25 PM
Dec 2018

including the political pundits but were afraid to say it. Now they are feeling like they can say it.

Shoonra

(521 posts)
5. Maybe not treason ....
Tue Dec 18, 2018, 10:52 PM
Dec 2018

Last edited Wed Dec 19, 2018, 08:23 AM - Edit history (1)

Treason is the only crime defined in the US Constitution. Article III, sec. 3 of the Constitution provides THE definition of treason and says that ONLY this definition constitutes treason (this was to clearly reject the old British notion of "constructive treason" which had been used for almost anything including holding an office when Parliament might have wanted someone else to be appointed to it). The definition includes waging war against the US or adhering to their [the US's] enemies. That's ENEMIES, not just any foreign power but enemies, which sort of implies a state of war between the US and that other power.

Russia might not be our good friend, but it's not at war with us and it's questionable whether it fits the category of an ENEMY. Since the Constitution's definition speaks of 'enemies' there is some reason to doubt that cozying up to Russia fits the definition of treason. If we got sloppy about the meaning of treason we might have considered Nixon a traitor for opening up relations with Communist China, since it had, in a previous generation, been an adversary in the Korean Conflict - an actual shooting-at-us wartime enemy, something that Russia has avoided. But it is important not to get sloppy about Constitutional terms.

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