Fri Dec 28, 2018, 12:57 PM

tomhagen (3,604 posts)

Should Bernie run in 2020?

He has my vote for sure

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124 replies	Author	Time	Post
Should Bernie run in 2020? (Original post)	tomhagen	Dec 2018	OP
No	Lucca2	Dec 2018	#1
I think the No's have it. I agree.	olegramps	Dec 2018	#42
Hillary was crucified for suggesting this reality.	maddiemom	Dec 2018	#76
No, He isn't even a Democrat. Bernie had his chance. Don't rehash the election.	trueblue2007	Dec 2018	#62
Exactly!	justie18	Dec 2018	#74
What about	Linda Ed	Dec 2018	#69
I like him and supported him in 2016 but no	Jarqui	Dec 2018	#2
I don't want a 2nd tRUmp term, so no. eom	BlueCaliDem	Dec 2018	#3
And what evidence do you have that Bernie would be continuing	Doitnow	Dec 2018	#50
He wouldn't.	cab67	Dec 2018	#110
i didnt like him then i dont like him now..so NOPE!	samnsara	Dec 2018	#4
No, too old.	TheCowsCameHome	Dec 2018	#5
Hell no! nt	OhZone	Dec 2018	#6
Yes, he has my vote.He represents what a president should be	onit2day	Dec 2018	#7
He would NOT have beaten trump, there is no concrete evidence that he would have. In order....	George II	Dec 2018	#27
He went from nothing to serious opponent virtually overnight.	guruoo	Dec 2018	#57
Nor is there "concrete evidence" that he would 'not' have	onit2day	Dec 2018	#61
You have too much common sense for some in here	LiberalLovinLug	Dec 2018	#95
Well we'll never know, he wasn't our nominee.	George II	Dec 2018	#103
I may disagree with you on whether he could have beaten the douchenfuhrer	rpannier	Dec 2018	#109
The polls said the same thing about Hillary Clinton.	cab67	Dec 2018	#111
Exactly. He was never vetted. The gop would have smeared him as a communist..	Kahuna7	Dec 2018	#101
Well said!!	InAbLuEsTaTe	Dec 2018	#34
This message was self-deleted by its author	InAbLuEsTaTe	Dec 2018	#35
As you said "Even if he doesn't get the nomination he will make the entire venture more progressive"	tecelote	Dec 2018	#59
Why not? It's about issues anyway and Bernie offers his own ideas about what the country needs.	jalan48	Dec 2018	#8
So if he does NOT run as a Democrat, you still support his running?	Eliot Rosewater	Dec 2018	#10
I think anyone can run in the primary.	jalan48	Dec 2018	#15
Which primary? Democratic primary?	Eliot Rosewater	Dec 2018	#23
Not at all. You're confusing the primary with the general election.	jalan48	Dec 2018	#33
So you are possibly going to support a NON democrat in the primary?	Eliot Rosewater	Dec 2018	#68
Why make this personal?	jalan48	Dec 2018	#89
Why not answer my question? I am not kidding around, either.	Eliot Rosewater	Dec 2018	#90
Good for you! I think if we focus on issues and not personalities we will have fewer problems.	jalan48	Dec 2018	#91
Right, so if a candidate does NOT support a higher minimum wage or Medicare for all	Eliot Rosewater	Dec 2018	#93
I think we were originally talking about the primaries. Let's see who runs and debate the issues!	jalan48	Dec 2018	#94
So there are 3 candidates in the 2020 election.	Eliot Rosewater	Dec 2018	#96
We just went through this. It's a no brainer. We have to support the Party nominee.	jalan48	Dec 2018	#97
If it's a Democratic primary only declared Democrats can run.	George II	Dec 2018	#26
So all he'd have to do is declare as a Democrat? nt	guruoo	Dec 2018	#52
That's not all, he'd also have to comply with the rules of the Democratic Party....	George II	Dec 2018	#53
Way too earily nt	guruoo	Dec 2018	#64
Now there's a concept... are you suggesting democracy?!	InAbLuEsTaTe	Dec 2018	#36
OMG!	jalan48	Dec 2018	#38
IKR!!	InAbLuEsTaTe	Dec 2018	#40
I thought this board was for ONLY Democrats? Please confirm your position on that!	Eliot Rosewater	Dec 2018	#70
Thom Hartmann warns that corporate dems are using media to say	onit2day	Dec 2018	#58
No.	The Velveteen Ocelot	Dec 2018	#9
Agreed. And as a 67 year old I'll say: we need someone younger.	fierywoman	Dec 2018	#54
I also supported him. Agree and he'll be 79 in 2020. That's too old for that 24/7 job.	sarge43	Dec 2018	#78
The only thing that bothers me is the age thing which really isn't that big a deal	elmac	Dec 2018	#11
No, he and the other old folks should gracefully bow out.	Magoo48	Dec 2018	#12
No. IMO His role will be only divisive again. POC will not vote for him .	apcalc	Dec 2018	#13
No	tazkcmo	Dec 2018	#14
NO...	handmade34	Dec 2018	#16
This message was self-deleted by its author	LongtimeAZDem	Dec 2018	#17
No.	murielm99	Dec 2018	#18
he totally should if he wants to /nt	hopeforchange2008	Dec 2018	#19
Omg no and i cant elaborate for 90 days	Fullduplexxx	Dec 2018	#20
No	mainstreetonce	Dec 2018	#21
absolutely NOT	katmondoo	Dec 2018	#22
No.	MontanaMama	Dec 2018	#24
No.	George II	Dec 2018	#25
Hell no!	redstatebluegirl	Dec 2018	#28
I love Bernie's stances on most of the issues	ZeroSomeBrains	Dec 2018	#29
Funny you should mention Elizabeth... I'll take them both, in any order!!	InAbLuEsTaTe	Dec 2018	#41
I would love either combo there	ZeroSomeBrains	Dec 2018	#45
No. His time has passed. n/t	CousinIT	Dec 2018	#30
His time had passed? Good one! Meanwhile potential 2020 hopefuls are taking up the issues	InAbLuEsTaTe	Dec 2018	#43
When I listen to those "hopefuls" I hear Bernie talking. He had the	Doitnow	Dec 2018	#55
Well said	mjvpi	Dec 2018	#87
Oh, Gawd, no.	MrScorpio	Dec 2018	#31
No way nt	solara	Dec 2018	#32
Abso-fuckin-lutely!! Go Bernie!!	InAbLuEsTaTe	Dec 2018	#37
Just be careful about the 3rd way in the party running ads against all progressives	elmac	Dec 2018	#39
Gee, I wonder who's funding those ads?!	InAbLuEsTaTe	Dec 2018	#44
What ads?	sheshe2	Dec 2018	#98
Follow the money	bahrbearian	Dec 2018	#46
I'm shocked!!	InAbLuEsTaTe	Dec 2018	#48
Excellent Information!	McKim	Dec 2018	#113
Do you have a link to those ads?	sheshe2	Dec 2018	#84
No way!	pandr32	Dec 2018	#47
NO	Bev54	Dec 2018	#49
No thank you	RHMerriman	Dec 2018	#51
No	Gothmog	Dec 2018	#56
No. N/T	lapucelle	Dec 2018	#60
No. n/t	sheshe2	Dec 2018	#63
No...	Tikki	Dec 2018	#65
No!!!!!! nt	jrthin	Dec 2018	#66
No	Linda Ed	Dec 2018	#67
He is...	Mike Nelson	Dec 2018	#71
No. I voted for Bernie in the last primary, but had no problem supporting Hillary later.	maddiemom	Dec 2018	#72
Damn right he should	recentevents	Dec 2018	#73
No	barbtries	Dec 2018	#75
Yes.	shanny	Dec 2018	#77
Enthusiastic YES!!!	Power 2 the People	Dec 2018	#79
I know Bernie. I like Bernie. I wish Bernie had better speaking points on social justice issues	aikoaiko	Dec 2018	#80
No	brandnewday2009	Dec 2018	#81
I support Bernie. Perhaps, after the debates, I'll choose someone else, but as of now ... nt	earthshine	Dec 2018	#82
Abso-fucking-lutely NO!!	NurseJackie	Dec 2018	#83
Nope.	2naSalit	Dec 2018	#85
NO nt	doc03	Dec 2018	#86
No. There's not a presidential bone in his body. nt	lamp_shade	Dec 2018	#88
No	YessirAtsaFact	Dec 2018	#92
No.	northoftheborder	Dec 2018	#99
Nyet. nt	Kahuna7	Dec 2018	#100
No, I'm afraid	TimeToGo	Dec 2018	#102
Yes.	guillaumeb	Dec 2018	#104
Yes.	spin	Dec 2018	#105
No,	flibbitygiblets	Dec 2018	#106
If he wants to change his registration to 'Democrat', sure.....fine.	SergeStorms	Dec 2018	#107
No Bernie. His moment is well past.	LakeArenal	Dec 2018	#108
Has Bernie actually accomplished anything substantive?	cab67	Dec 2018	#112
Sander's Ideas Must be Upheld!	McKim	Dec 2018	#114
Ideas are all well and good.	cab67	Dec 2018	#116
You haven't been looking very hard.	Doitnow	Dec 2018	#120
Actually, I have.	cab67	Dec 2018	#121
Let the voters decide.	chwaliszewski	Dec 2018	#115
No. I Want a Democrat to Win the Presidency.	TomCADem	Dec 2018	#117
.	BootinUp	Dec 2018	#118
No...I am voting for a Democrat.	Mazeltov Cocktail	Dec 2018	#119
Adding another NO to the pile	Ruby the Liberal	Dec 2018	#122
Under NO circumstances would I vote for another Ralph Nader.	Haggis for Breakfast	Dec 2018	#123
YES	MortSahlFan	Dec 2018	#124

Response to tomhagen (Original post)

Fri Dec 28, 2018, 01:00 PM

Lucca2 (63 posts)

1. No

I see him as an elder statesman who can guide policy but he is not my choice for President. And at this point, I see no one yet.

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Response to Lucca2 (Reply #1)

Fri Dec 28, 2018, 03:01 PM

olegramps (7,941 posts)

42. I think the No's have it. I agree.

The fact of the matter is that his position on tariffs was in reality in agreement with Trump. His run just accentuated opposition to Clinton with unrealistic promises. The bull that they were going to roll back the wave of automation and globalism to the good ole days when a high school drop out could get a good paying job on the assembly line is long gone and not coming back.

What we are facing is a need for a massive retraining program to meet the new demands that intensive automation and artificial intelligence present and which are going forward and can not be stopped. Trump and Sanders sold the suckers a bag of unadulterated crap. Just like both Obama and Clinton said those jobs are gone and not coming back. The low skill assembly jobs that left due to lower wages will be in the same jeopardy. It is going to a one of the biggest transformations that the world has ever seen. The major corporations are using the money they got from the tax rip off to buy back stock and have announced major layoffs for the coming year. Their explanation: Automation. These include even Wells Fargo that is using automation to replace thousands of clerical jobs. The robots are coming big time and we are not ready. All we have is a pack of broken down political hacks who are totally incapable of even understanding the situation let alone provide solutions. Just what we need is some old hacks running the government. We need young educated people who grasp the situation and provide the young people hope for a future.

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Response to olegramps (Reply #42)

Fri Dec 28, 2018, 04:54 PM

maddiemom (4,972 posts)

76. Hillary was crucified for suggesting this reality.

She just didn't handle it judiciously.

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Response to Lucca2 (Reply #1)

Fri Dec 28, 2018, 04:12 PM

trueblue2007 (13,192 posts)

62. No, He isn't even a Democrat. Bernie had his chance. Don't rehash the election.

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Response to trueblue2007 (Reply #62)

Fri Dec 28, 2018, 04:49 PM

justie18 (151 posts)

74. Exactly!

Couldn't agree more. He also waited way too long to concede, contributing to a very contentious convention which did not bode well for the General Election. Poor looser.

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Response to Lucca2 (Reply #1)

Fri Dec 28, 2018, 04:27 PM

Linda Ed (364 posts)

69. What about

Beto?

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Response to tomhagen (Original post)

Fri Dec 28, 2018, 01:08 PM

Jarqui (7,842 posts)

2. I like him and supported him in 2016 but no

Time to pass the baton to the younger generation

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Fri Dec 28, 2018, 01:12 PM

BlueCaliDem (15,433 posts)

3. I don't want a 2nd tRUmp term, so no. eom

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Response to BlueCaliDem (Reply #3)

Fri Dec 28, 2018, 03:36 PM

Doitnow (1,103 posts)

50. And what evidence do you have that Bernie would be continuing

Dump's policies? Ridiculous!

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Response to Doitnow (Reply #50)

Sat Dec 29, 2018, 08:33 AM

cab67 (1,680 posts)

110. He wouldn't.

But he wouldn't win the election. Hence, four more years of the Orange One, assuming he isn't forced out of office one way or another.

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Fri Dec 28, 2018, 01:23 PM

samnsara (13,912 posts)

4. i didnt like him then i dont like him now..so NOPE!

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Fri Dec 28, 2018, 01:25 PM

TheCowsCameHome (39,915 posts)

5. No, too old.

Nobody over 70.

Let's get some new blood in the game.

Sorry.

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Fri Dec 28, 2018, 01:25 PM

OhZone (2,703 posts)

6. Hell no! nt

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Fri Dec 28, 2018, 01:29 PM

onit2day (1,201 posts)

7. Yes, he has my vote.He represents what a president should be

Even if he doesn't get the nomination he will make the entire venture more progressive for the entire party. A great candidate on any ticket and let us not forget according to all the polls he would have beaten Trump by a far greater margin than any other candidate uniting dems, independents and republicans. He made single payer a national agenda as well as free public college and income equality. He's an honest man of the people so he's good for what we all want with a tremendous energy level. But it's a long way off and I will wait till we have actual candidates to choose between. But yeah, he should run.

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Response to onit2day (Reply #7)

Fri Dec 28, 2018, 02:12 PM

George II (60,015 posts)

27. He would NOT have beaten trump, there is no concrete evidence that he would have. In order....

....to determine that he would have had to run against trump, he didn't.

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Response to George II (Reply #27)

Fri Dec 28, 2018, 03:53 PM

guruoo (5,092 posts)

57. He went from nothing to serious opponent virtually overnight.

Seemed like the more flack he took, the more popular he became.

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Response to George II (Reply #27)

Fri Dec 28, 2018, 04:08 PM

onit2day (1,201 posts)

61. Nor is there "concrete evidence" that he would 'not' have

The polls did however show that he would have. This idea around here that any candidate that loses in the primary is somehow divisive in the general because so many supported their primary run blows apart the whole reason for having primaries.

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Response to onit2day (Reply #61)

Fri Dec 28, 2018, 06:47 PM

LiberalLovinLug (12,187 posts)

95. You have too much common sense for some in here

No one can prove it of course, but the polls all pointed to a Sanders victory over Trump.

He would have had the vast majority of Democrat's votes. Many holding their noses, as some did to vote for Hillary last GE.

He would have had the majority of Independents. Instead that majority went to Trump.

He would have had at least a few Republican votes. Those who were voting for Trump only because they had been poisoned by decades long smear campaigns and Russian social media trolling against Hillary.

He would have had many new voters, more young people making the effort.

He would have stolen a lot of votes from Jill Stein and the Greens, as he was even courted at one point to run instead of Jill, being respected by those in that party.

And of course he would have taken with him a House majority and maybe even the Senate, as the fallout.

But us primary Sanders supporters, the vast majority, had to swallow those hopes and and get behind Hillary. Too bad the actual supporters of the winner of the primaries, can't be at least as respectful and polite to those Sanders supporters who, if they had joined them, would be enjoying two years of Democratic rule, and two more SCOTUS appointments.

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Response to onit2day (Reply #61)

Fri Dec 28, 2018, 07:46 PM

George II (60,015 posts)

103. Well we'll never know, he wasn't our nominee.

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Response to George II (Reply #103)

Sat Dec 29, 2018, 06:01 AM

rpannier (22,359 posts)

109. I may disagree with you on whether he could have beaten the douchenfuhrer

But you are very correct on he wasn't our nominee.
She should be president

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Response to onit2day (Reply #61)

Sat Dec 29, 2018, 08:43 AM

cab67 (1,680 posts)

111. The polls said the same thing about Hillary Clinton.

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Response to George II (Reply #27)

Fri Dec 28, 2018, 07:40 PM

Kahuna7 (2,531 posts)

101. Exactly. He was never vetted. The gop would have smeared him as a communist..

there's a youtube video of trump saying he would love to run against Bernie, the communist.

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Fri Dec 28, 2018, 02:41 PM

InAbLuEsTaTe (23,138 posts)

34. Well said!!

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Fri Dec 28, 2018, 03:59 PM

tecelote (4,710 posts)

59. As you said "Even if he doesn't get the nomination he will make the entire venture more progressive"

Totally agree. Great point.

Bernie woke America up. I doubt he'll get nominated but I sure hope he runs because he's a great influence on our political discussions.

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Response to tomhagen (Original post)

Fri Dec 28, 2018, 01:30 PM

jalan48 (11,376 posts)

8. Why not? It's about issues anyway and Bernie offers his own ideas about what the country needs.

Let the voters decide.

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Response to jalan48 (Reply #8)

Fri Dec 28, 2018, 01:32 PM

Eliot Rosewater (26,828 posts)

10. So if he does NOT run as a Democrat, you still support his running?

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #10)

Fri Dec 28, 2018, 01:46 PM

jalan48 (11,376 posts)

15. I think anyone can run in the primary.

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Response to jalan48 (Reply #15)

Fri Dec 28, 2018, 01:56 PM

Eliot Rosewater (26,828 posts)

23. Which primary? Democratic primary?

I dont think I understand.

you do know a 3rd party run by someone like him would almost guarantee the con winning, right?

Thus his excuse to run as a democrat but NOT becoming one, either way it is problematic, is it not?

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #23)

Fri Dec 28, 2018, 02:36 PM

jalan48 (11,376 posts)

33. Not at all. You're confusing the primary with the general election.

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Response to jalan48 (Reply #33)

Fri Dec 28, 2018, 04:27 PM

Eliot Rosewater (26,828 posts)

68. So you are possibly going to support a NON democrat in the primary?

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #68)

Fri Dec 28, 2018, 06:31 PM

jalan48 (11,376 posts)

89. Why make this personal?

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Response to jalan48 (Reply #89)

Fri Dec 28, 2018, 06:32 PM

Eliot Rosewater (26,828 posts)

90. Why not answer my question? I am not kidding around, either.

I dont understand the idea that NON democrats, if that is what you are saying, are to be considered.

I dont think it is interesting or a joke, I think it is a nightmare and not what this place is about.

Maybe I misunderstood, you mean any DEMOCRAT who runs can be considered in the primary? Yeah, I agree with that. That position would be in standing as to why we are all here.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #90)

Fri Dec 28, 2018, 06:40 PM

jalan48 (11,376 posts)

91. Good for you! I think if we focus on issues and not personalities we will have fewer problems.

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Response to jalan48 (Reply #91)

Fri Dec 28, 2018, 06:41 PM

Eliot Rosewater (26,828 posts)

93. Right, so if a candidate does NOT support a higher minimum wage or Medicare for all

but is the NOMINEE?

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #93)

Fri Dec 28, 2018, 06:45 PM

jalan48 (11,376 posts)

94. I think we were originally talking about the primaries. Let's see who runs and debate the issues!

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Response to jalan48 (Reply #94)

Fri Dec 28, 2018, 06:47 PM

Eliot Rosewater (26,828 posts)

96. So there are 3 candidates in the 2020 election.

One is a con and doesn't support a damn thing that is good for anyone other than rich people.

One supports medicare for all, one doesn't and the one who doesn't is the Democrat.

Who do you vote for?

Not a trap, not going to report you if you dont support the dem, I am hoping to make a point that if not understood might mean the end of the United States.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #96)

Fri Dec 28, 2018, 06:53 PM

jalan48 (11,376 posts)

97. We just went through this. It's a no brainer. We have to support the Party nominee.

The primaries are the time to chose those people and talk about the differences in policies and issues. Fair and open primaries will help bring more voters on board.

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Response to jalan48 (Reply #15)

Fri Dec 28, 2018, 02:10 PM

George II (60,015 posts)

26. If it's a Democratic primary only declared Democrats can run.

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Response to George II (Reply #26)

Fri Dec 28, 2018, 03:44 PM

guruoo (5,092 posts)

52. So all he'd have to do is declare as a Democrat? nt

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Response to guruoo (Reply #52)

Fri Dec 28, 2018, 03:46 PM

George II (60,015 posts)

53. That's not all, he'd also have to comply with the rules of the Democratic Party....

....which have been recently updated.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #10)

Fri Dec 28, 2018, 04:20 PM

guruoo (5,092 posts)

64. Way too earily nt

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Response to jalan48 (Reply #8)

Fri Dec 28, 2018, 02:43 PM

InAbLuEsTaTe (23,138 posts)

36. Now there's a concept... are you suggesting democracy?!

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Fri Dec 28, 2018, 02:49 PM

jalan48 (11,376 posts)

38. OMG!

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Response to jalan48 (Reply #38)

Fri Dec 28, 2018, 02:58 PM

InAbLuEsTaTe (23,138 posts)

40. IKR!!

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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #36)

Fri Dec 28, 2018, 04:28 PM

Eliot Rosewater (26,828 posts)

70. I thought this board was for ONLY Democrats? Please confirm your position on that!

It was considered "democracy" when W won and Trump won.

But on this board I thought we were ONLY Interested in electing ONLY democrats.

No?

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Response to jalan48 (Reply #8)

Fri Dec 28, 2018, 03:59 PM

onit2day (1,201 posts)

58. Thom Hartmann warns that corporate dems are using media to say

the progressive dems are not what the democratic party really wants despite all the evidence to the contrary. I've been a dem since birth and have always thought the democratic party was the party of the people not wealthy corporate donors which is why Thom Perez, president of the DNC has said only those candidates whose major donations come from multiple small donations should participate in the debates. I see the democratic party moving away from mega corporate donors , the banksters, wall street and fossil fuel donors which began on steroids with Pres. Clinton and back to multiple small donors like what has driven the progressive candidates recently. One thought, you can't claim to want something and then attack those trying to get it for you. The Democratic party remains the party of the people, the working class, the poor and the elderly. Makes me wonder: Is Skinner et al corporate conservadems or progressives?...or cannot be so easily classified lol.

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Response to tomhagen (Original post)

Fri Dec 28, 2018, 01:32 PM

The Velveteen Ocelot (91,670 posts)

9. No.

I supported him in the 2016 primaries but he's accumulated too much baggage. He's not the right person this time.

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Fri Dec 28, 2018, 03:46 PM

fierywoman (5,452 posts)

54. Agreed. And as a 67 year old I'll say: we need someone younger.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #9)

Fri Dec 28, 2018, 05:01 PM

sarge43 (27,384 posts)

78. I also supported him. Agree and he'll be 79 in 2020. That's too old for that 24/7 job.

I say this as someone within a month of 76 years old.

I also believe it's time for the young to step up.

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Fri Dec 28, 2018, 01:34 PM

elmac (4,642 posts)

11. The only thing that bothers me is the age thing which really isn't that big a deal

if he won the primary he would need to pick a strong progressive VP, hopefully a women. There are dream team possibilities but who knows.

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Fri Dec 28, 2018, 01:37 PM

Magoo48 (1,862 posts)

12. No, he and the other old folks should gracefully bow out.

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Fri Dec 28, 2018, 01:41 PM

apcalc (4,146 posts)

13. No. IMO His role will be only divisive again. POC will not vote for him .

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Fri Dec 28, 2018, 01:44 PM

tazkcmo (6,966 posts)

14. No

But he certainly has a right to just like the rest of us.

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Fri Dec 28, 2018, 01:47 PM

handmade34 (20,500 posts)

16. NO...

No, no, no, no, no.............

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Fri Dec 28, 2018, 01:49 PM

murielm99 (27,309 posts)

18. No.

Destructive. Divisive.

No. Just no.

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Fri Dec 28, 2018, 01:51 PM

hopeforchange2008 (509 posts)

19. he totally should if he wants to /nt

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Fri Dec 28, 2018, 01:53 PM

Fullduplexxx (3,849 posts)

20. Omg no and i cant elaborate for 90 days

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Fri Dec 28, 2018, 01:54 PM

mainstreetonce (4,178 posts)

21. No

His interference just splits the party.

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Fri Dec 28, 2018, 01:54 PM

katmondoo (5,929 posts)

22. absolutely NOT

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Fri Dec 28, 2018, 02:03 PM

MontanaMama (16,189 posts)

24. No.

Just no.

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Fri Dec 28, 2018, 02:09 PM

George II (60,015 posts)

25. No.

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Fri Dec 28, 2018, 02:21 PM

redstatebluegirl (11,027 posts)

28. Hell no!

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Fri Dec 28, 2018, 02:27 PM

ZeroSomeBrains (638 posts)

29. I love Bernie's stances on most of the issues

The gun issue is something he needs to workon. I'm a democratic voter so I will vote for whoever is the nominee. With that said he would be high on my list but for the moment Warren seems like my top choice.

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Fri Dec 28, 2018, 03:00 PM

InAbLuEsTaTe (23,138 posts)

41. Funny you should mention Elizabeth... I'll take them both, in any order!!

Elizabeth & Bernie / Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!

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Fri Dec 28, 2018, 03:06 PM

ZeroSomeBrains (638 posts)

45. I would love either combo there

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Fri Dec 28, 2018, 02:29 PM

CousinIT (5,835 posts)

30. No. His time has passed. n/t

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Fri Dec 28, 2018, 03:05 PM

InAbLuEsTaTe (23,138 posts)

43. His time had passed? Good one! Meanwhile potential 2020 hopefuls are taking up the issues

that have been at the forefront of his messaging. Go figure!!

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Fri Dec 28, 2018, 03:48 PM

Doitnow (1,103 posts)

55. When I listen to those "hopefuls" I hear Bernie talking. He had the

message(s) of what most people in this country want a long time ago, then, and now. He has been beating the same drum for a long time because all the issues remain the same ones. And they still. Need. Addressing. Bernie is not splitting Americans. He's reminding them what the democratic ideals are and challenging them to act. This is not the time for some newcomer to come from nowhere. I want to know where they've been and what they've been DOING. In other words, what is their RECORD?

Go Bernie!

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Fri Dec 28, 2018, 06:06 PM

mjvpi (759 posts)

87. Well said

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Fri Dec 28, 2018, 02:30 PM

MrScorpio (72,878 posts)

31. Oh, Gawd, no.

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Fri Dec 28, 2018, 02:31 PM

solara (3,613 posts)

32. No way nt

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Fri Dec 28, 2018, 02:44 PM

InAbLuEsTaTe (23,138 posts)

37. Abso-fuckin-lutely!! Go Bernie!!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!

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Fri Dec 28, 2018, 02:49 PM

elmac (4,642 posts)

39. Just be careful about the 3rd way in the party running ads against all progressives

they are already running them against Bernie

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Fri Dec 28, 2018, 03:05 PM

InAbLuEsTaTe (23,138 posts)

44. Gee, I wonder who's funding those ads?!

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Fri Dec 28, 2018, 07:11 PM

sheshe2 (69,943 posts)

98. What ads?

I asked elmac who you just posted to. I asked for a link to the ads and they didn't respond. There is a very large thread and again posters were asked to link to them and they did not. I tried to google them myself and came up with nothing. I find this troubling.

Please link to the attack ads that you are all talking about, including Bernie. I am beginning to believe there is no such thing.

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Fri Dec 28, 2018, 03:07 PM

bahrbearian (13,464 posts)

46. Follow the money

?1386110745

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Fri Dec 28, 2018, 03:23 PM

InAbLuEsTaTe (23,138 posts)

48. I'm shocked!!

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Sat Dec 29, 2018, 09:05 AM

McKim (1,838 posts)

113. Excellent Information!

Thank you so much for this excellent information.

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Fri Dec 28, 2018, 05:42 PM

sheshe2 (69,943 posts)

84. Do you have a link to those ads?

I would like to see them for myself. There is a very long thread about 'said' ads yet no one seems able to produce them. Thanks.

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Fri Dec 28, 2018, 03:08 PM

pandr32 (6,971 posts)

47. No way!

Ditto for his wife--just in case she is considering it.

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Fri Dec 28, 2018, 03:29 PM

Bev54 (2,457 posts)

49. NO

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Fri Dec 28, 2018, 03:38 PM

RHMerriman (1,376 posts)

51. No thank you

No thank you.

Elder statesman, and a committee chair after the Democrats take back control of the Senate? Yes.

Presidential candidate? No.

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Fri Dec 28, 2018, 03:52 PM

Gothmog (91,276 posts)

56. No

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Fri Dec 28, 2018, 04:03 PM

lapucelle (11,666 posts)

60. No. N/T

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Fri Dec 28, 2018, 04:20 PM

sheshe2 (69,943 posts)

63. No. n/t

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Fri Dec 28, 2018, 04:23 PM

Tikki (13,709 posts)

65. No...

Tikki

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Fri Dec 28, 2018, 04:25 PM

jrthin (4,411 posts)

66. No!!!!!! nt

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Fri Dec 28, 2018, 04:26 PM

Linda Ed (364 posts)

67. No

He is too old ...he went thru it once and we don't need a repeat performance. JMHO He is needed to help gather the young people and get them to run like he did,,it worked and was a great contribution.

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Fri Dec 28, 2018, 04:38 PM

Mike Nelson (7,518 posts)

71. He is...

…running... or is it pre-running? In any case, I hope he changes his mind. I'd like to see Bernie support the Democratic nominee and secure a nice Senate chair position!

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Fri Dec 28, 2018, 04:39 PM

maddiemom (4,972 posts)

72. No. I voted for Bernie in the last primary, but had no problem supporting Hillary later.

The Repugnicans never had to gin up all they would have used against Bernie had he been the 2016 candidate. It probably would have been uglier than what was used against Hillary. I realize Biden is only about a year younger than Bernie, but he's obviously in much better physical shape. His being a little more laid back surely has always made him the most underrated contender in politics. The man has dealt with some real tragedies in his personal life and remained centered personally and politically. The V.P. debate in which he took the (now realized) much overrated Ryan to the cleaners was beautiful. Biden is not necessarily the answer, but he's truly a more desirable candidate than Bernie, who tends to project the "angry old man" these days. And we need to give the newcomers some more thought and time.

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Fri Dec 28, 2018, 04:43 PM

recentevents (93 posts)

73. Damn right he should

He's still a powerful voice.

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Fri Dec 28, 2018, 04:52 PM

barbtries (24,519 posts)

75. No

i voted for him once but that was the last time.

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Fri Dec 28, 2018, 04:55 PM

shanny (6,709 posts)

77. Yes.

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Fri Dec 28, 2018, 05:02 PM

Power 2 the People (2,437 posts)

79. Enthusiastic YES!!!

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Fri Dec 28, 2018, 05:19 PM

aikoaiko (31,235 posts)

80. I know Bernie. I like Bernie. I wish Bernie had better speaking points on social justice issues

If I had to vote today, I'd vote for Bernie, but I'm completely open to someone else who can be even better.

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Fri Dec 28, 2018, 05:29 PM

brandnewday2009 (287 posts)

81. No

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Fri Dec 28, 2018, 05:33 PM

earthshine (1,642 posts)

82. I support Bernie. Perhaps, after the debates, I'll choose someone else, but as of now ... nt

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Fri Dec 28, 2018, 05:41 PM

NurseJackie (36,885 posts)

83. Abso-fucking-lutely NO!!

Too many people feel the same way about him as I do for him to be successful. Trump could easily defeat him, in my opinion.

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Fri Dec 28, 2018, 05:45 PM

2naSalit (47,520 posts)

85. Nope.

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Fri Dec 28, 2018, 06:06 PM

doc03 (26,876 posts)

86. NO nt

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Fri Dec 28, 2018, 06:20 PM

lamp_shade (13,663 posts)

88. No. There's not a presidential bone in his body. nt

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Fri Dec 28, 2018, 06:40 PM

YessirAtsaFact (2,049 posts)

92. No

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Fri Dec 28, 2018, 07:33 PM

northoftheborder (7,257 posts)

99. No.

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Fri Dec 28, 2018, 07:36 PM

Kahuna7 (2,531 posts)

100. Nyet. nt

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Fri Dec 28, 2018, 07:44 PM

TimeToGo (1,117 posts)

102. No, I'm afraid

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Fri Dec 28, 2018, 07:56 PM

guillaumeb (42,114 posts)

104. Yes.

There was a reason that so many Democrats voted for Sanders.

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Fri Dec 28, 2018, 07:58 PM

spin (17,484 posts)

105. Yes.

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Fri Dec 28, 2018, 07:59 PM

flibbitygiblets (6,375 posts)

106. No,

Please for the love of god, stop asking.

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Fri Dec 28, 2018, 09:29 PM

SergeStorms (9,929 posts)

107. If he wants to change his registration to 'Democrat', sure.....fine.

Taking Democrat's money as an Independent - although he's caucused with Democrats for quite awhile - is somewhat disingenuous on Bernie's part. That's just my opinion. Your mileage may vary.

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Fri Dec 28, 2018, 09:39 PM

LakeArenal (16,112 posts)

108. No Bernie. His moment is well past.

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Sat Dec 29, 2018, 08:50 AM

cab67 (1,680 posts)

112. Has Bernie actually accomplished anything substantive?

Other than running a campaign?

I'm serious about this. He says a lot of things I agree with, but what is his track record when it comes to turning any of it into legislation?

This is an important question. I don't want someone who says the right things, but stands no chance whatsoever of having more than a rhetorical impact on the country - and I'm fairly sure that's all we'd have with him.

(I'm not trying to re-litigate the previous election. I'm thinking about 2020 here. Anyone we throw against Trump shouldn't just say things we like - he or she should have a demonstrated ability to actually change policy.)

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Sat Dec 29, 2018, 09:08 AM

McKim (1,838 posts)

114. Sander's Ideas Must be Upheld!

I would vote for anyone who echoes Sander’s ideas, and not some fake pretty face who is “trendy”.

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Sat Dec 29, 2018, 10:03 AM

cab67 (1,680 posts)

116. Ideas are all well and good.

They don't help anyone if they don't actually become policy. That was my point - Sanders says lots of things I really like, but if it goes no further than that, a Sanders administration would be a failure. And I see little evidence that, throughout his long years of public service, the good things he says have turned into legislation.

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Sat Dec 29, 2018, 05:31 PM

Doitnow (1,103 posts)