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Mon Mar 25, 2019, 11:55 AM

 

David Cay Johnston on the Mueller Report. It's not over



America will not let the Truth be Barred

(Apologies for Greenwald, just skip over)

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Reply David Cay Johnston on the Mueller Report. It's not over (Original post)
tomhagen Mar 2019 OP
sandensea Mar 2019 #1
onit2day Mar 2019 #8
sandensea Mar 2019 #9
mr_lebowski Mar 2019 #2
smirkymonkey Mar 2019 #6
blue-wave Mar 2019 #3
cp Mar 2019 #4
LiberalLovinLug Mar 2019 #5
Esra Star Mar 2019 #7

Response to tomhagen (Original post)

Mon Mar 25, 2019, 12:03 PM

1. Glenn Greenwald. THE great journalistic disappointment of the 21st century.

That a man with his record of muckraking and progressivism choose to carry water for the Cheeto regime, just to keep himself on Putin's good side (and, I suspect, payroll), is the spitting image of everything a journalist shouldn't be.

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Response to sandensea (Reply #1)

Mon Mar 25, 2019, 11:05 PM

8. Why is he so emotional about it. Why is he ignoring Trump siding with Putin

 

Why is he insinuating what Mueller said before Mueller says it. His anger is clouding his judgment. Look at all the Trump people indicted and convicted as well as all the Russians who fled the country after being indicted? Seems he wants to be right more than be accurate as he ignores facts that don't fit his arguments. Why so many lies if Trump was always innocent? I like Greenwald's perspective usually but here his prejudices cloud his judgment as in comparing Maddow to Judith. That's a leap too far.

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Response to onit2day (Reply #8)

Tue Mar 26, 2019, 01:09 AM

9. +1

Well said.

And goodness knows that however unkind he feels Obama was to him, Cheeto would be far worse. Greenwald of all people should know that (he probably does, and only too well).

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Response to tomhagen (Original post)

Mon Mar 25, 2019, 12:12 PM

2. Warning: Greenwald is the other guest and is exceptionally annoying (nt)

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Response to mr_lebowski (Reply #2)

Mon Mar 25, 2019, 05:54 PM

6. What is wrong with Greenwald's face?

I have never seen him in person before. He looks like he's had a series of strokes. Sounds like it too. What a creepy little troll!

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Response to tomhagen (Original post)

Mon Mar 25, 2019, 12:20 PM

3. Please turn off Greenwald!!!!!

The guy is spewing crap like he has read the full Mueller report. The Russians sure got to him in some way.

David Cay Johnston is spot on and let's see the full report. Something doesn't smell right here in this rush to judgement by the republicons over the report.

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Response to tomhagen (Original post)

Mon Mar 25, 2019, 12:35 PM

4. David Cay Johnston has covered Individual-1 for decades

He's knowledgeable and thoughtful. Worth hearing.

(And yes, you will have to wade through Greenwald, who does have a point about the lost time devoted to 45 instead of, say, climate change or plutocracy 2.0. Johnston says, "We have an honest disagreement," and they are respectful of one another.)

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Response to tomhagen (Original post)

Mon Mar 25, 2019, 04:00 PM

5. A very worthwhile listen. Both Greenwald and Johnston.

Also, from Noam Chomsky. I wish there was more of an appetite in here for more discussion on this topic. We need to have them.

One takeaway that ALL agreed on was that way too much time has been spent pumping the Russian Collusion click bait over ignoring what Trump and the GOP are doing to the country in so many other ways.

I don't know how some here shouldn't be a bit more contrite towards Glenn Greenwald, as he has been proven right in a lot of ways. And his warnings that if they threw all their eggs in this one basket, that would not be a winning strategy. And how, countries interfering in other countries elections by Russia, by other countries, as well as by the US is common, and has been going on for a long time. And that actually Israel interfered much more than Russia in the US democracy. IMO, I think home-grown GOP operatives, trolls, RW radio and TV, and polling machine hackers, along with the usual tricks of voter suppression actions, have had way more of an impact than anything Russia did. (In fact, I think Putin's cyber army did more damage within the Democratic party than anything. Pitting us against each other when Wikileaks, with Russia's help, revealed the DNC's emails).

I can understand, although I hate it, how the MSM news networks (other than the State TV network) feel the commercial need to create a compelling spy vs spy type espionage thriller going. But the Democratic Party did not need to blithely follow along behind. In fact, I can't remember who, maybe Schumer?, actually dared to say a few words, last year I believe, how the Russia investigation isn't all that important, in the grand scheme. Something like that. He was immediately shouted down and shut up on that topic by other Democrats very quickly. When in fact, that should have been their strategy going forward. Let the Mueller chips fall where they may. They have no control over that. And then, if it is a bombshell against Trump, great!, its the final icing on the cake that takes out NOT JUST TRUMP, BUT THE REPUBLICAN PARTY. They should have been painting every bill, even every executive order, if there was no objection from Republicans, as a GOP product, not a Trump steak.

In fact, this couldn't be any better for Trump or his party. Even if, months later, the country learns more, in trickles, through other investigations, maybe Mueller taking to Congress, including any financial criminal investigations, what will the forces of evil be doing?....Going overtime to steer the narrative as sour grapes, and desperation.

Democrats when guests on MSM should just have refused to get into the easy low hanging fruit of Trumps latest embarrassing tweet. And not even talked about him (much, I'm sure, to the hosts frustration). And just pounded away on the Republican party's priorities, And even IF some policy decision came from the WH and not the R House or Senate, it should have been referred to something the "Republican President" did, or the "Republican administration" did. He will fall when he falls. When he does something so vile and toxic that even Lindsay Graham has to take his lips off of the Orange Dotard's giant ass. Because he will.

And what is more, Democrats are now locked into their strategy and now must follow through. They will call Mueller to testify. The thriller story of the relationship between Putin and Trump will be milked until it is dry, taking away even more precious air time from how the GOP is altering the country. Its almost too late now to pivot like that. If they start removing the eggs from the basket now, they will be publicly admonished. They have helped to put the cloak of invisibility over the Republican Party's machinations by not focusing more their fight against Republicanism, instead of Trumpism.

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Response to tomhagen (Original post)

Mon Mar 25, 2019, 07:09 PM

7. Greenwald's bona fides

Greenwald is a good passionate journalist. To ignore him is the kind of reaction that trumpians would do.
At least listen to the protaginist's arguments. Education is everything.

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