The Civil War At Fox News Is About To Get So Much Worse

[CatWoman]

[louis-t]

1. Let the crazies get their own station.

They can wear bibs so they don't drool on themselves. Jeez.

[Fullduplexxx]

2. When the advertisers leave it wont matter kock or adelson etc will pony up for fox

[Crowman2009]

3. I just love right-wing cannibalism!

Please pass the popcorn.

[lambchopp59]

4. I maintain the best intervention includes passage of a rewritten Fairness Doctrine

Daunting task, as so much misinformation has been created to suit some polluting or insanely greedy corporate profits.
But it must be done to create a more equitable and non-toxic world for our progeny.
It starts by saying... (excuse the Obama ripoff slogan) Yes we can! restore FACTS with a accredited multi-university effort.
Once news media can only report an accredited set of facts as news, otherwise must be labelled "opinion",
We're well on the way to healing this gaping wound.

[certainot]

5. no need for a new fairness doctrine - fox depends completely on rw radio and artificial intelligence

means rw radio's days are over as soon as americans want. and fox is the cartoon cliff notes of talk radio. and given way too much credit for this disaster. fox depends heavily on rw radio and can't do shit without it.

AI assisted transcription will amp up stoprush x 100 by allowing activists to easily list RW radio advertisers with little listening. much easier and effective than boycotting fox, or hoping for supermajorities to pass a new FD with those 1500 radio stations screaming FREE SPEECH! and the russian trolls and free speech freaks screaming ignorantly

when the ad industry sees it happening that threat will force it to have to ask advertisers if they actually want to support trump and global warming denial. if americans want to get this shit out of the white house and force republicans to drop him all they have to do is stop ignoring it and reduce kremlin talk radio from 1500 to 200 stations. that will be the most effective offense dems can do.

its nice to have msnbc and to some extent cnn on our side but talk radio buzz dominates and has for 30 years and the left has no clue

[KPN]

9. I agree 100% re: talk radio buzz. But I don't see how AI assisted outing of advertisers will

level the playing field. You still have to get that info out in a way that it resonates with consumer masses, many of whom are already brainwashed by RW talk and won't care. Not to mention that most Americans don't have or won't take the time to be informed about who is supporting these stations and even if they do, they won't boycott them to the degree necessary on many if not most issues. Yeah, maybe it could work re: the global warming issue, but that may be about it.

Keep in mind also that domination of airwaves was a deliberate effort on the part of conservatives. Sure, they want to do so at a profit, but the primary driver was dominating the airwaves in order to mold public opinion in their favor. That goal isn't going to go away.

[certainot]

10. clearchannel is $20 bil in debt but the whole thing depends on stations being able to pay the

salaries and rent - a lot of those louder stations depend on relationships with university and pro sports and the benefits from that - community cred and advertisers.

previous boycott efforts exposed how easy it is to scare adv ertiserss off - the ad agencies are bundling advertisers and not giving them choice - and a lot of businesses believe the crap that limbaugh and sons are just political entertainers enjoying free speech, etc. the ad agencies just want the massive audiences those stations get - and a lot of it's just passive - for news, sports, weather, emergency, traffic etc because they're the loudest signal around.

any significant challenge to the radio lies and propaganda, along with the recent advances in transcription will force the major advertisers to have to apply market forces to RW radio. the ad agencies want those ears for their customers but they won't want to risk losing customers every time a new wave of boycotts hits. they're going to pressure station owners to change programming to keep those ears.

all the left has to do is get it started and the ad industry will do the rest.

fucked up part is one more dumbass survey just came out pointing out how FOX skews opinion on the mueller report and no fucking clue that limbaugh's led 2 years of screaming about a deep state coup from 1500 radio stations reaching 50 mil a week.

fox is not where the lies are sold.

dumbasses.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

6. NO. Do not want or need equal time for climate deniers, anti-vaxers, "birthers", and CT nut jobs.

Your scheme for university "accredited facts" is a non-starter. For one, academics are notorious for being slow, which is antithetical to news. Two: right wingers say universities are liberal and so they would never agree to such "accreditation" of facts.

[KPN]

8. So, if you don't mind, how would you see us fixing the imbalance that currently exists on

radio airwaves? It's huge! Numerous times in the post year I have searched airwaves while driving to places 2-4 hours from home and have not been able to locate a single progressive/liberal radio talk show while landing on tens of right-wing shows spouting the horrors of socialism embodied in the Democratic Party. It's downright alarming to go through that exercise and hear what is being broadcast with no real counter from the more liberal side. NPR doesn't fill that void by any stretch.

The issue is really one of ownership and intent of ownership in my view. But I'm not sure that a cap on a cortporation's or individual 's ownership of stations/airwaves would actually solve the problem if sufficient liberal leaning owners don't take up the space created by caps.

I agree -- I don't like the notion of giving right-wing nut jobs equal air time. But how else do we fix this? It's clear to me that big money conservatives have been wildly successful in brainwashing tens of millions, if not 35-45% of Americans. Something needs to happen in order to counter this -- or maybe it's just too late and we've lost -- at least for the next generation or so.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

11. Yes, a cap on ownerhsip would help. Solution to bad speech is more good speech.

Of course, accomplishing it is not easy. There are many barriers to entry for stations & networks, lack of wealth being one of them.

Alternative channels such as YouTube are a help too, and have low barriers to entry. Even so, it is hard to get followers.

But apropos your idea of certifying facts, I think there is also room to expand there. And universities could play a role. But trying to create a single independent body to certify facts has the problems of how do you get real independence and how do you get it respected. As to the latter, if several fact checking sites have agreement on most issues they would come to be seen as reliable.

Snopes of course is one example, and it is widely respected though far from universally.

I've thought of creating a website that would go something like "If you believe X then you have to believe Y and Z" where Y and Z are factoids (points, assertions) that may or may not be true. The goal would be to make it quite obvious at some point that to believe X you have to hold two contradictory views.

If (for example) you believe tRump is making America great again then you have to believe Y: the good ole days were better and Z: tRump is competently addressing those issues. Users would click on individual beliefs they hold (to see what Ys and Zs the X depends on) and contribute their own beliefs they feel are foundational to facts / factoids the point X depends on. Contributions would have to be heavily filtered automatically and then what is left would be reviewed.

A barely formed idea, however.

[Trueblue Texan]

7. Is anyone else bothered by seeing...

...Sean Hannity advertised on Rachel Maddow show? I am. I look forward to watching Rachel every night. In fact, that and Lawrence O'Donnell are the only shows I watch on TV. And to see that scumbucket's face plastered across my screen while I'm watching almost makes me lose my supper.