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Cetacea | May 2019 | OP |
hlthe2b | May 2019 | #1 | |
Cetacea | May 2019 | #2 | |
hlthe2b | May 2019 | #3 | |
area51 | May 2019 | #7 | |
appalachiablue | May 2019 | #9 | |
brush | May 2019 | #4 | |
FrankTC | May 2019 | #5 | |
matt819 | May 2019 | #6 | |
BeyondGeography | May 2019 | #8 | |
Cetacea | May 2019 | #14 | |
Habibi | May 2019 | #10 | |
erronis | May 2019 | #11 | |
smirkymonkey | May 2019 | #12 | |
Cetacea | May 2019 | #15 | |
Rhiannon12866 | May 2019 | #13 | |
Cetacea | May 2019 | #16 | |
Rhiannon12866 | May 2019 | #17 |
Response to Cetacea (Original post)
Tue May 28, 2019, 09:55 AM
hlthe2b (84,216 posts)
1. Here: for those who can not watch videos for whatever reason:
What's Killing America's White Men? Our World Every year, nearly forty five thousand people in America kill themselves. That's more than twice the number that die in homicides, and while in the rest of the western world suicide rates are falling, in the US the numbers have increased by nearly a third. And there's one group causing this spike. Middle aged white men. And Race is relevant because the suicide rates for Black and Asian Americans haven't changed much in years. India Rakusen has been to the Montana town of Missoula, where suicide rates here have increased by more than fifty percent in the last five years, to find out what's driving so many white, middle aged, and often working class men to despair. https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/n3ct4f25 |
Response to hlthe2b (Reply #1)
Tue May 28, 2019, 10:11 AM
Cetacea (7,202 posts)
2. Thank you.
Here is an article that perhaps has the solution:
“In America, we divide our adult life into two categories: Our work life and our retirement life,” he says. “In Okinawa, there isn’t even a word for retirement. Instead there’s simply ‘ikigai,’ which essentially means ‘the reason for which you wake up in the morning.’” https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/22/the-japanese-secret-to-a-longer-and-happier-life-is-gaining-attention-from-millions.html |
Response to Cetacea (Reply #2)
Tue May 28, 2019, 10:13 AM
hlthe2b (84,216 posts)
3. I could not agree with that philosophy more.. Our US attitude has lead to an intense ageism
that renders aging adults--at least those who are not overwhelmingly wealthy-- feeling as though they are expendable, even worthless.
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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #3)
Tue May 28, 2019, 11:57 AM
area51 (9,196 posts)
7. +1
We have a very libertarian society; it's part of the reason why we don't have healthcare as a basic human right.
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Response to area51 (Reply #7)
Tue May 28, 2019, 01:38 PM
appalachiablue (30,227 posts)
9. The honest and brutal truth, TY for stating it.
Response to Cetacea (Original post)
Tue May 28, 2019, 10:36 AM
brush (34,043 posts)
4. An insightful moment was when one guy said: "White men have had it good...
for a long time." It was as if he felt he maybe didn't have a reason to complain too much?
Good point but there is a reason to complain when jobs are being snatched away, quite often by corporate/hedge fund/repug policies that benefit the few at the top but screw over the rest. Makes one wonder if our candidates should seize on this reality and appeal to these guys that they are not being served by the repugs they continue to vote for , as Sanders and a couple of others have done, or should we concentrate getting out our vote and increase our base and to hell with down-on-their-luck repug voters who can't seem to get who is screwing over them? |
Response to Cetacea (Original post)
Tue May 28, 2019, 11:18 AM
FrankTC (46 posts)
5. Dying Of Whiteness
In this context see Jonathan Metzl's book, Dying Of Whiteness: How the Politics of Racial Resentment Is Killing America's Heartland. Metzl points out that rural whites vote to support conservative political policies that are killing them, for example, as mentioned in the BBC clip, the cuts in funding for mental health services. |
Response to FrankTC (Reply #5)
Tue May 28, 2019, 11:35 AM
matt819 (9,442 posts)
6. I was about to mention that book
I started reading it last week. Even if you don't read the whole thing (I'm just a few pages in), the introduction is jaw dropping in its descriptions of people willing (?) to die just to be sure that people of color don't get health services.
Many books have already been written on this issue, so this isn't really all that new, but it's still an eye opener. |
Response to Cetacea (Original post)
Tue May 28, 2019, 12:51 PM
BeyondGeography (36,712 posts)
8. That last guy...I wish him well
Great report. Highly recommend.
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Response to BeyondGeography (Reply #8)
Wed May 29, 2019, 11:23 PM
Cetacea (7,202 posts)
14. Thanks.
The humanity of it really struck me.
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Response to Cetacea (Original post)
Tue May 28, 2019, 07:37 PM
Habibi (3,481 posts)
10. Thanks for posting this. I wonder how many
American white men have had the opportunity to watch it, and what some reactions to it have been. Relief that the silence may finally be breaking?
I hope the report has sparked more attention to this issue and given some folks the impetus to talk more. |
Response to Habibi (Reply #10)
Tue May 28, 2019, 09:09 PM
erronis (9,350 posts)
11. Older white man who can identify with these feelings and the thoughts.
I try to get out in the community more. It's too easy to disconnect from real people.
The internet is part of the problem and can be part of the solution but we still need real human and caring contact. |
Response to Cetacea (Original post)
Tue May 28, 2019, 09:33 PM
smirkymonkey (58,508 posts)
12. Very sad. I honestly felt heartbroken by his plight.
However, there are millions of others who are not white men living in the same despair. I think we all need to understand that so many of us are suffering in our own ways and that we are not each other's enemies.
The real enemy is the wealthy 1% who are keeping us all down and do not care one bit how much the majority of the people in this country are living in desperation. Not only financially, but emotionally as well, because of this sense that we are not all "winners" and that we continue to become downwardly mobile because of their greed, creating a sense of desperation. |
Response to smirkymonkey (Reply #12)
Wed May 29, 2019, 11:24 PM
Cetacea (7,202 posts)
15. Yea.
Very sad. The guy with the dog really broke me up.
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Response to Cetacea (Original post)
Wed May 29, 2019, 02:19 AM
Rhiannon12866 (128,163 posts)
13. Interesting documentary. I heard a discussion on this recently on one of the news shows
They also determined that it was the availability of guns.
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Response to Rhiannon12866 (Reply #13)
Wed May 29, 2019, 11:25 PM
Cetacea (7,202 posts)
16. Thanks
The plethora of Guns in this country is certainly a factor.
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Response to Cetacea (Reply #16)
Wed May 29, 2019, 11:36 PM
Rhiannon12866 (128,163 posts)
17. Thanks!
I actually discussed this issue with my brother today - he inexplicably brought it up because of something he saw on TV recently - and he also watches FOX News!
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