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yaesu

(8,020 posts)
1. Mr mueller, there is nothing in the constitution that disallows charges being brought against
Wed May 29, 2019, 12:37 PM
May 2019

a sitting president.

SunSeeker

(51,545 posts)
2. Thank you! I was jarred when I heard that. Mueller is DEAD WRONG.
Wed May 29, 2019, 12:42 PM
May 2019

And he certainly does not say that in his report. So much for his vow to not say anything other than what's already in the report.

Fritz Walter

(4,291 posts)
4. That's a DOJ opinion!
Wed May 29, 2019, 02:05 PM
May 2019

And it reeks of papal infallibility and sovereign immunity.

We've all seen how those work so well.

yaesu

(8,020 posts)
5. Yes, its DOJ policy but I was surprised when he went off the deep end to declare it was against the
Wed May 29, 2019, 02:15 PM
May 2019

constitution. This is how the corporations are people crap started, some ass hat like Mueller says its so and it snowballs. He did his country a disservice.

SergeStorms

(19,190 posts)
8. It's DOJ "policy".
Wed May 29, 2019, 04:53 PM
May 2019

It's not a law. I always cringe when I hear them say that. Today I did more than cringe.

Fritz Walter

(4,291 posts)
6. "Russian intelligence officers... LAUNCHED A CONCERTED ATTACK on our political system"
Wed May 29, 2019, 03:07 PM
May 2019

THANK YOU for stating it as such, Mr. Mueller!

Even though he used the word "interference" in his remarks, this comment clearly identifies it as an attack by a hostile foreign power.

Thunderstorms interfere with your satellite TV reception.

Some mothers-in-law meddle in the lives of their newlywed children.

This was an attack. Coordinated and funded by the Russian government. Labeling it as anything less is disloyal as well as dishonest.

Ignoring the likelihood that we will be attacked again during the 2020 elections -- indeed, a new attack is likely already underway -- is treasonous in that it gives aid and comfort to our enemies. Can we add this to the growing list of impeachable offenses?

BigmanPigman

(51,582 posts)
7. Hillary said this during her book tour.
Wed May 29, 2019, 03:32 PM
May 2019

Putin launched a successful cyber attack. We were attacked by an enemy! Period.

SergeStorms

(19,190 posts)
10. An enemy...
Wed May 29, 2019, 04:58 PM
May 2019

Trump sucks up to like he's a long lost brother or something. Trump chooses to believe Putin over his own intelligence agencies.

SergeStorms

(19,190 posts)
9. As an aside....
Wed May 29, 2019, 04:56 PM
May 2019

I was totally blown away when I heard Mueller speak. I always expected a deep baritone voice for some reason. When I heard a much higher register I was gobsmacked.

SunSeeker

(51,545 posts)
12. His voice used to be quite a bit deeper and more dynamic.
Wed May 29, 2019, 06:31 PM
May 2019

Here he is in 2006 (starts at 6:05):










His voice sounded unusually flinty for him, and he looked nervous, tired, and every bit his 75 years of age today. This investigation looks like it aged him 20 years.

FailureToCommunicate

(14,011 posts)
11. "...and I do not question Attn Gen'l Barr's good faith decisions..." !?!
Wed May 29, 2019, 05:53 PM
May 2019

I am joining the ranks of those who are VERY disappointed in Mueller's work, some of his conclusions, and and his SILENCE until today!

PufPuf23

(8,759 posts)
13. So Mueller accepted the position of Special Counsel with
Thu May 30, 2019, 06:46 PM
May 2019

the understanding that POTUS Trump could not be indicted...……………

Thank you for posting this clip.

PufPuf23

(8,759 posts)
15. My minority viewpoint at DU regards Mueller is that he
Thu May 30, 2019, 08:52 PM
May 2019

is first and foremost a GOP fixer. I never expected much except a repeat of Fitzmas.

Mueller was a GOP federal prosecutor and then was Bush the Lesser's choice for head of FBI and then was held over by POTUS Obama.

The Mueller investigation itself narrowed the scope of inquiry and many threads were not followed through by Mueller. Mueller wants to get out of the public sphere unscathed.

Mueller's performance and now exit was probably a foregone conclusion from the start.

SunSeeker

(51,545 posts)
17. After I read the report, I realized how much he bent over backwards for Trump.
Thu May 30, 2019, 08:59 PM
May 2019

Really changed my view of him.

PufPuf23

(8,759 posts)
18. Unfortunate that so many held or still hold Mueller as some sort of
Thu May 30, 2019, 09:07 PM
May 2019

fellow that could and would take down Trump.

dalton99a

(81,426 posts)
16. Transcript:
Thu May 30, 2019, 08:55 PM
May 2019

ROBERT S. MUELLER III, the special counsel: Good morning, everyone, and thank you for being here. Two years ago, the acting attorney general asked me to serve as special counsel and he created the special counsel’s office. The appointment order directed the office to investigate Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election. This included investigating any links or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the Trump campaign.

Now, I have not spoken publicly during our investigation. I am speaking out today because our investigation is complete. The attorney general has made the report on our investigation largely public. We are formally closing the special counsel’s office, and as well, I’m resigning from the Department of Justice to return to private life. I’ll make a few remarks about the results of our work. But beyond these few remarks, it is important that the office’s written work speak for itself. Let me begin where the appointment order begins, and that is interference in the 2016 presidential election.

As alleged by the grand jury in an indictment, Russian intelligence officers who are part of the Russian military, launched a concerted attack on our political system. The indictment alleges that they used sophisticated cybertechniques to hack into computers and networks used by the Clinton campaign. They stole private information and then released that information through fake online identities and through the organization WikiLeaks.

The releases were designed and timed to interfere with our election and to damage a presidential candidate. And at the same time, as the grand jury alleged in a separate indictment, a private Russian entity engaged in a social media operation, where Russian citizens posed as Americans in order to influence an election. These indictments contain allegations, and we are not commenting on the guilt or the innocence of any specific defendant. Every defendant is presumed innocent unless and until proven guilty.

The indictments allege, and the other activities in our report describe, efforts to interfere in our political system. They needed to be investigated and understood. And that is among the reasons why the Department of Justice established our office. That is also a reason we investigated efforts to obstruct the investigation. The matters we investigated were of paramount importance. It was critical for us to obtain full and accurate information from every person we questioned. When a subject of an investigation obstructs that investigation or lies to investigators, it strikes at the core of their government’s effort to find the truth and hold wrongdoers accountable.

Let me say a word about the report. The report has two parts, addressing the two main issues we were asked to investigate. The first volume of the report details numerous efforts emanating from Russia to influence the election. This volume includes a discussion of the Trump campaign’s response to this activity, as well as our conclusion that there was insufficient evidence to charge a broader conspiracy. And in the second volume, the report describes the results and analysis of our obstruction of justice investigation involving the president.

The order appointing me special counsel authorized us to investigate actions that could obstruct the investigation. We conducted that investigation, and we kept the office of the acting attorney general apprised of the progress of our work. And as set forth in the report, after that investigation, if we had had confidence that the president clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said so. We did not, however, make a determination as to whether the president did commit a crime.

The introduction to the Volume II of our report explains that decision. It explains that under longstanding department policy, a president cannot be charged with a federal crime while he is in office. That is unconstitutional. Even if the charge is kept under seal and hidden from public view, that, too, is prohibited. A special counsel’s office is part of the Department of Justice, and by regulation, it was bound by that department policy. Charging the president with a crime was therefore not an option we could consider. The department’s written opinion explaining the policy makes several important points that further informed our handling of the obstruction investigation. Those points are summarized in our report, and I will describe two of them for you.

First, the opinion explicitly permits the investigation of a sitting president, because it is important to preserve evidence while memories are fresh and documents available. Among other things, that evidence could be used if there were co-conspirators who could be charged now.

And second, the opinion says that the Constitution requires a process other than the criminal justice system to formally accuse a sitting president of wrongdoing. And beyond department policy, we were guided by principles of fairness. It would be unfair to potentially — it would be unfair to potentially accuse somebody of a crime when there can be no court resolution of the actual charge.

So that was Justice Department policy. Those were the principles under which we operated. And from them, we concluded that we would not reach a determination one way or the other about whether the president committed a crime. That is the office’s final position, and we will not comment on any other conclusions or hypotheticals about the president. We conducted an independent criminal investigation and reported the results to the attorney general, as required by department regulations.

The attorney general then concluded that it was appropriate to provide our report to Congress and to the American people. At one point in time, I requested that certain portions of the report be released and the attorney general preferred to make — preferred to make the entire report public all at once and we appreciate that the attorney general made the report largely public. And I certainly do not question the attorney general’s good faith in that decision.

Now, I hope and expect this to be the only time that I will speak to you in this manner. I am making that decision myself. No one has told me whether I can or should testify or speak further about this matter. There has been discussion about an appearance before Congress. Any testimony from this office would not go beyond our report. It contains our findings and analysis and the reasons for the decisions we made. We chose those words carefully, and the work speaks for itself. And the report is my testimony. I would not provide information beyond that which is already public in any appearance before Congress. In addition, access to our underlying work product is being decided in a process that does not involve our office.

So beyond what I’ve said here today and what is contained in our written work, I do not believe it is appropriate for me to speak further about the investigation or to comment on the actions of the Justice Department or Congress. And it’s for that reason I will not be taking questions today, as well.

Now, before I step away, I want to thank the attorneys, the F.B.I. agents, the analysts, the professional staff who helped us conduct this investigation in a fair and independent manner. These individuals who spent nearly two years with the special counsel’s office were of the highest integrity. And I will close by reiterating the central allegation of our indictments, that there were multiple, systematic efforts to interfere in our election. And that allegation deserves the attention of every American. Thank you. Thank you for being here today.

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