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The Disturbing Truth About Thanksgiving That You Never Learned in History Class (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 2019 OP
That was pretty dumb and inaccurate Sarg Nov 2019 #1
Back your statement up please if you're going to disparge the video. Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 2019 #2
"Disparge" the video? Did you mean "disparage"? Sarg Nov 2019 #3
At 4:22 it says: LeftInTX Nov 2019 #4
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Thanksgiving Myths, Legends and Lies: Fla Dem Nov 2019 #6
 

Sarg

(39 posts)
1. That was pretty dumb and inaccurate
Thu Nov 28, 2019, 09:17 PM
Nov 2019

The purpose of the 1621 Thanksgiving was to thank God for the harvest, not to "thank the native Americans for their hospitality and kindness." it is unclear from the sources whether they even invited the Indians.

They did eat turkey -- in addition to venison supplied by Massaoit and his tribe.

Nobody ever claimed that they ate pumpkin pie and sweet potatoes in 1621. Different foods have been added to the meal over the centuries it has been celebrated.

Who makes videos like this, and why?

 

Sarg

(39 posts)
3. "Disparge" the video? Did you mean "disparage"?
Fri Nov 29, 2019, 11:37 AM
Nov 2019

The video cites no sources whatsoever, so I'm unclear why you apparently think the video is above criticism.

The sources of the 1621 Thanksgiving are well-known and easily accessible: Mourt's Relation (1622) and Edward Winslow's "Good News from New England (1624).

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Fla Dem

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6. Thanksgiving Myths, Legends and Lies:
Fri Nov 29, 2019, 02:55 PM
Nov 2019
Thanksgiving Myths, Legends and Lies: Why Settlers Really Started the Annual Feast

By Grace Donnelly
November 21, 2017

How much do you really know about Thanksgiving?

As most students in the U.S. learn, the event we consider the “first” Thanksgiving happened in Plymouth, Mass. in 1621 when the Pilgrims (who actually called themselves separatists and weren’t referred to as Pilgrims until the 1870s) gathered with the local Wampanoag peoples to celebrate the fall harvest. There is historical evidence that this feast occurred in 1621, but there’s no indication that the Native Americans were actually invited. Some accounts suggest that about 90 Wampanoags heard the settlers firing guns and came to see the cause of the stir or even ready to enter battle.

It’s also possible that the Wampanoag leader, Massasoit, was making diplomatic calls after gathering his own harvest.

“Pilgrims and Indians”
While the story is often told that the indigenous peoples traded with the Pilgrims and taught them how to cultivate crops, interactions between the settlers and the Wampanoag — which means “Easterners” or “People of the Dawn” — were significantly more violent.
The English settlers found good land to establish Plymouth as quickly as they did because a smallpox epidemic wiped out a Wampanoag village there before they arrived. Tisquantum, or Squanto, well-known for aiding the Pilgrims, was a member of that tribe. He was captured by the English in 1614 and sold into slavery in Spain. He learned English in order to escape, only to return home in 1619 to find his entire tribe was dead.

The celebration in 1621 did not mark a friendly turning point and did not become an annual event. Relations between the Wampanoag and the settlers deteriorated, leading to the Pequot War. In 1637, in retaliation for the murder of a man the settlers believed the Wampanoags killed, they burned a nearby village, killing as many as 500 men, women, and children.
Following the massacre, William Bradford, the Governor of Plymouth, wrote that for “the next 100 years, every Thanksgiving Day ordained by a Governor was in honor of the bloody victory, thanking God that the battle had been won.”

When Was the First Thanksgiving
Although we celebrate the holiday in November, the 1621 harvest feast in Plymouth likely occurred in September or early October.

In 1789, President George Washington designated November 26 of that year as a day of thanksgiving for the nation under its new federal Constitution. The day did not become an official national holiday until 1863, when President Abraham Lincoln issued the proclamation of thanksgiving following a request from writer and editor Sarah Josepha Hale, who asked that the day “become, permanently, an American custom and institution.”

It was in this instance, in a country divided by the Civil War, that the unifying imagery of Pilgrims and Indians coming together to eat and celebrate was introduced.

https://fortune.com/2017/11/21/thanksgiving-myths-legends-and-lies-why-settlers-really-started-the-annual-feast/

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