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Upthevibe
(8,035 posts)(and BTW - Succession is soooooooooooooooooooo good)!
matt819
(10,749 posts)Frank Richs piece in ny mag is a great read. I hope hes right. I think he will be proven right but it will take decades for everything to come out.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)I'm not that confident, but I'm generally a pessimist.
Because of Barr, I would hope that a new Democratic president and fully Democratic Congress can re-institute the Independent Prosecutor law like they had with Watergate and Iran Contra and have them look at all the crimes of Trump and everybody close to him - Pence, Mnuchin, Barr, Pompeo, DeVos, Prince, Ross, Carson, Giuliani, etc
no more letting people off the hook to move on and put the past behind us -
Glenn Kirschner called it the Trump Crimes Commission
matt819
(10,749 posts)I'm also a pessimist. Have been for decades. Damn glass is always fucking half empty. Or completely empty. And most of the time the glass is gone. Someone took it. Probably a republican. I used to be mostly positive, if not always optimistic. Hey, things change.
My son is even more pessimistic than I am, so he's really a downer to talk to.
The next Democratic president better look back. Hell, the next Democratic president should create an entirely new government agency tasked with looking back. And they should turn over every rock, issue subpoenas every day, and jail people who don't show up. And those found to have done wrong should be shamed to the extent that even fox won't have them on as commentators.
Skittles
(153,147 posts)it certainly has not with the BUSH INC warmongering bastards
sab390
(183 posts)We've found out, just recently, that Nixon collided with the North Vietnamese to slow walk the peace talks. We found out that St Ronnie talked to the Iranians about holding the hostages until after the elections.. The big problem is that it has come out nothing has changed. When can we get this into the history books and the highschool class rooms. George II lied, got caught, and nothing happened. Knowing is not enough. We have to find some way of getting into the public consciousness.
burrowowl
(17,638 posts)rusty quoin
(6,133 posts)underpants
(182,767 posts)Binkie The Clown
(7,911 posts)zentrum
(9,865 posts)When this cult goes it will take a generation with it. Maybe the planet.Our economy. And a billion species.It's a genie too destructive to be put back in the bottle, even if it ends.
amcgrath
(397 posts)For the paperwork on Kennedy to be released - coincidentally, something that Trump promised he would do, but then withheld a bunch of it.
There are some secrets which neither side will ever make public, because if the American people new, they would simply lose faith in the entire structure of American government, and the law.
dump_trump_now
(18 posts)Keira21
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Straight to the point Rich's piece in ny mag is an extraordinary perused. I trust he's correct. I figure he will be legitimized however it will take a long time for everything to turn out.
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