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FDR Second Bill of Rights Speech Footage (Original Post) Quixote1818 Feb 2020 OP
Thank you. elleng Feb 2020 #1
Which of the F.D.R. Wannabes Actually Understands New Deal Liberalism? lapucelle Feb 2020 #2
SOCIALIST!!! Fiendish Thingy Feb 2020 #3
Not for me, but elsewhere there are plenty of people willing to spend hours debating the fact. rwsanders Feb 2020 #4
Crystal balls at Spencer Gifts... Layzeebeaver Feb 2020 #5
Well you're welcome (I hope). rwsanders Feb 2020 #8
K&R Sherman A1 Feb 2020 #6
Semantics Progressive2020 Feb 2020 #7

lapucelle

(18,252 posts)
2. Which of the F.D.R. Wannabes Actually Understands New Deal Liberalism?
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 01:38 AM
Feb 2020
Suddenly, Franklin D. Roosevelt is all the rage. But many Democrats don’t understand what his legacy means.

Suddenly [...] Roosevelt is alive again in the 2020 Democratic primary campaign: His ideas for using government to improve lives echo through stump speeches across Iowa and New Hampshire.

But there’s a right way and a wrong way to revive Roosevelt. Before we allow anyone to assume his mantle, let’s separate candidates merely seeking inspiration for big ideas from those misappropriating his legacy.

Bernie Sanders, the most explicit of the Roosevelt wannabes, is in the latter category. He has repurposed the “Second Bill of Rights” address on his website to report that Roosevelt was constantly attacked as a socialist, so he must have actually been one — just like the independent senator from Vermont. He’s betting that a younger post-Cold War generation won’t conflate his brand of democratic socialism with communism, as many of their elders wrongly do.

But Roosevelt was an improvisational pragmatist — a “juggler,” he called himself — not a socialist. While his idea for Social Security contained socialistic elements (as did George W. Bush’s 2008 bank bailout), he understood that in a nation of strivers, the concept is a political loser.

When asked his political philosophy, he replied: “I’m a Christian and a Democrat, that’s all.”

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Running for re-election in 1936, Roosevelt said of his big-money critics: “They are unanimous in their hate of me and I welcome their hatred.”

But when Mr. Sanders quotes that line in his stump speech, he doesn’t mention that Roosevelt soon tacked to the center. He rebuffed calls for national health insurance as impractical, backed a balanced budget, insisted that most welfare be connected to work and supported free trade.

As World War II approached, he abandoned the New Deal entirely and invited the corporate titans who loathed him to help him win it. With the end of the war in sight, he renewed his liberal domestic agenda with the landmark G.I. Bill, which inspired today’s Democratic focus on affordable education.


https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/21/opinion/fdr-democrats-2020.html

rwsanders

(2,598 posts)
4. Not for me, but elsewhere there are plenty of people willing to spend hours debating the fact.
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 03:17 AM
Feb 2020

Nearly had to block one only a couple of days ago because he wanted to insist that the "socialism" label would make Bernie "unelectable".
Lots of folks who bought their crystal balls at Spencer Gifts floating around.

Layzeebeaver

(1,623 posts)
5. Crystal balls at Spencer Gifts...
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 06:31 AM
Feb 2020

...that made me spit up a bit of my fortified adult Sunday breakfast drink - well done!

rwsanders

(2,598 posts)
8. Well you're welcome (I hope).
Mon Feb 24, 2020, 12:52 AM
Feb 2020

Somewhere in the past I realized that even Keith Olbermann (as much as I love him) spends too much of his time prognosticating.
Maybe I should never have clued in, now it is beyond tiresome.

Progressive2020

(713 posts)
7. Semantics
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 08:18 PM
Feb 2020

Whether one is called "socialist", "democratic socialist", whatever, is beside the point of what one actually stands for. I will vote for whatever candidate will fight for FDR's Second Bill of Rights here in the 21st Century. I don't care about the labels; I care about the policies and the commitment to getting them done. I will support any Democrat that will fight for these policies.

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