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ancianita

(35,812 posts)
Tue Mar 31, 2020, 11:01 PM Mar 2020

Testimonial From A Hospitalized COVID-19 Patient, Now Recovered -- Watch and Learn

There are a lot of videos of this survivor, but this particular one, with the worst DU optics, explains how he thinks our work to not aspirate while sick can beat the virus.

Maybe in spite of doctors.

This patient's rule: Lying down feels good, but you die. Staying upright, coughing like crazy, might spread the virus in the air, but it allows your immune system to strengthen. And he believes that that's how he survived.

The earlier DU post by the doctor with COVID, who said "Don't aspirate!" has some connection to this patient's method of kicking the liquid out of his lungs. Lying horizontally, one drowns.

Being older and more high risk, I'll take his word for it.

Steel yourself in the second half of his talk.


https://video.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t42.9040-2/90729117_144432860227279_4352332365264060416_n.mp4?_nc_cat=107&_nc_sid=985c63&efg=eyJ2ZW5jb2RlX3RhZyI6InN2ZV9zZCJ9&_nc_ohc=phBbTAPIoj4AX8smzgJ&_nc_ht=video.ftpa1-1.fna&oh=ba45da8c9c8a9876c70bcfc708c95a16&oe=5E842477

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Testimonial From A Hospitalized COVID-19 Patient, Now Recovered -- Watch and Learn (Original Post) ancianita Mar 2020 OP
watch that video. it makes sense. rampartc Mar 2020 #1
I'm sorry but moving doesn't change your Phoenix61 Mar 2020 #2
You're a doctor, right? ancianita Mar 2020 #3
I beat cancer. I think I have a very good Phoenix61 Mar 2020 #5
Using gravity to help your lungs has got to buy your immune system time. And so ventilators. ancianita Mar 2020 #8
Yes, it does! Your lymphatic system works best when you can get up and move. rainin Mar 2020 #7
Agree! ancianita Mar 2020 #9
Makes sense to me... SWBTATTReg Mar 2020 #4
Your immune system improves as you are challenged by illnesses PoindexterOglethorpe Mar 2020 #6
You're a doctor, right? Then why did doctors and staff make this dude get up and move around. ancianita Mar 2020 #10
No I am not a doctor but I've read lots and lots about PoindexterOglethorpe Apr 2020 #11
Fine. Well, my intention was to let people hear experience for what it's worth, ancianita Apr 2020 #12

Phoenix61

(16,951 posts)
2. I'm sorry but moving doesn't change your
Tue Mar 31, 2020, 11:15 PM
Mar 2020

immune system. I can see how moving can help keep fluid from building up in your lungs. It’s why they get you up and walking ASAP after surgery.

ancianita

(35,812 posts)
3. You're a doctor, right?
Tue Mar 31, 2020, 11:23 PM
Mar 2020

You really think that getting your immune system moving as your body is made to move, isn't important. That it doesn't work that way. But I think yours is the thinking of a well person.

I had dengue fever once, and beat it. Now that he recalls his moving and that the staff actually made him move, I remember how lying down felt like death, but getting up and trying to get my own water, move, forced more overall body function.

I'm going to take his word for this.

Phoenix61

(16,951 posts)
5. I beat cancer. I think I have a very good
Tue Mar 31, 2020, 11:28 PM
Mar 2020

understanding of how my immune system works. I was highly motivated to learn as much as I could. Moving, in and of itself, isn’t going to kick up your white blood cell count. As I said, utilizing gravity to help your lungs stay clear is in line with current medical practice.

ancianita

(35,812 posts)
8. Using gravity to help your lungs has got to buy your immune system time. And so ventilators.
Tue Mar 31, 2020, 11:35 PM
Mar 2020

Oxygen to all systems is what this is about. Moving does get circulation of white blood cells and the immune system's recalibration going for fighting this virus.

Doctors have only recently learned about how drugs shut down immune strength. It's vaguely something like a cancer kill to immune survival ration, as far as I know. I've got a good friend who's not able to take certain medicines for two years since her immune system is still compromised by her frequent radiation and chemo rounds. So I'll take your word that you learned what your doctors told you during your treatment.

However, with this virus, I'm not buying your cancer doctors' explanation of how the immune system works on it, or yours.

rainin

(3,010 posts)
7. Yes, it does! Your lymphatic system works best when you can get up and move.
Tue Mar 31, 2020, 11:32 PM
Mar 2020

This makes perfect sense.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,746 posts)
6. Your immune system improves as you are challenged by illnesses
Tue Mar 31, 2020, 11:30 PM
Mar 2020

and recover from them. Not whether you are standing up or lying down. Thinking that your body's position actually matters in strengthening the immune system is to have no clue how the immune system actually works.

ancianita

(35,812 posts)
10. You're a doctor, right? Then why did doctors and staff make this dude get up and move around.
Tue Mar 31, 2020, 11:40 PM
Mar 2020

To prevent aspiration, yes. Your precision is duly noted.

But giving the immune system time to work on the virus, so one doesn't drown, so the lymphatic system reaches lung cells... there's something to this treatment. Especially if ventilators aren't an option.

I just offered it as a testimonial. Thanks for your post.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,746 posts)
11. No I am not a doctor but I've read lots and lots about
Wed Apr 1, 2020, 12:46 PM
Apr 2020

diseases and our immune system. So yeah, I feel pretty confident in what I'm saying.

They would have gotten him up and moving around because it would have allowed the body to mechanically work on the fluid accumulation in the lungs. Not the immune system. Or maybe because if you simply lie in bed all day you are at greater risk of developing blood clots in your legs or perhaps elsewhere. Again, not part of the immune system.

ancianita

(35,812 posts)
12. Fine. Well, my intention was to let people hear experience for what it's worth,
Wed Apr 1, 2020, 01:04 PM
Apr 2020

not have a medical back and forth about what I should know compared to my take on this patient's experience.

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