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Related: About this forumTestimonial From A Hospitalized COVID-19 Patient, Now Recovered -- Watch and Learn
There are a lot of videos of this survivor, but this particular one, with the worst DU optics, explains how he thinks our work to not aspirate while sick can beat the virus.
Maybe in spite of doctors.
This patient's rule: Lying down feels good, but you die. Staying upright, coughing like crazy, might spread the virus in the air, but it allows your immune system to strengthen. And he believes that that's how he survived.
The earlier DU post by the doctor with COVID, who said "Don't aspirate!" has some connection to this patient's method of kicking the liquid out of his lungs. Lying horizontally, one drowns.
Being older and more high risk, I'll take his word for it.
Steel yourself in the second half of his talk.
https://video.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t42.9040-2/90729117_144432860227279_4352332365264060416_n.mp4?_nc_cat=107&_nc_sid=985c63&efg=eyJ2ZW5jb2RlX3RhZyI6InN2ZV9zZCJ9&_nc_ohc=phBbTAPIoj4AX8smzgJ&_nc_ht=video.ftpa1-1.fna&oh=ba45da8c9c8a9876c70bcfc708c95a16&oe=5E842477
rampartc
(5,263 posts)Phoenix61
(16,951 posts)immune system. I can see how moving can help keep fluid from building up in your lungs. Its why they get you up and walking ASAP after surgery.
ancianita
(35,812 posts)You really think that getting your immune system moving as your body is made to move, isn't important. That it doesn't work that way. But I think yours is the thinking of a well person.
I had dengue fever once, and beat it. Now that he recalls his moving and that the staff actually made him move, I remember how lying down felt like death, but getting up and trying to get my own water, move, forced more overall body function.
I'm going to take his word for this.
Phoenix61
(16,951 posts)understanding of how my immune system works. I was highly motivated to learn as much as I could. Moving, in and of itself, isnt going to kick up your white blood cell count. As I said, utilizing gravity to help your lungs stay clear is in line with current medical practice.
ancianita
(35,812 posts)Oxygen to all systems is what this is about. Moving does get circulation of white blood cells and the immune system's recalibration going for fighting this virus.
Doctors have only recently learned about how drugs shut down immune strength. It's vaguely something like a cancer kill to immune survival ration, as far as I know. I've got a good friend who's not able to take certain medicines for two years since her immune system is still compromised by her frequent radiation and chemo rounds. So I'll take your word that you learned what your doctors told you during your treatment.
However, with this virus, I'm not buying your cancer doctors' explanation of how the immune system works on it, or yours.
rainin
(3,010 posts)This makes perfect sense.
SWBTATTReg
(21,856 posts)PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,746 posts)and recover from them. Not whether you are standing up or lying down. Thinking that your body's position actually matters in strengthening the immune system is to have no clue how the immune system actually works.
ancianita
(35,812 posts)To prevent aspiration, yes. Your precision is duly noted.
But giving the immune system time to work on the virus, so one doesn't drown, so the lymphatic system reaches lung cells... there's something to this treatment. Especially if ventilators aren't an option.
I just offered it as a testimonial. Thanks for your post.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,746 posts)diseases and our immune system. So yeah, I feel pretty confident in what I'm saying.
They would have gotten him up and moving around because it would have allowed the body to mechanically work on the fluid accumulation in the lungs. Not the immune system. Or maybe because if you simply lie in bed all day you are at greater risk of developing blood clots in your legs or perhaps elsewhere. Again, not part of the immune system.
ancianita
(35,812 posts)not have a medical back and forth about what I should know compared to my take on this patient's experience.