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Sat May 16, 2020, 04:26 AM

PBS: Why don't Americans trust experts anymore?




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Reply PBS: Why don't Americans trust experts anymore? (Original post)
betsuni May 2020 OP
beachbumbob May 2020 #1
betsuni May 2020 #4
beachbumbob May 2020 #8
Proud liberal 80 May 2020 #7
Duppers May 2020 #2
jaxexpat May 2020 #3
Duppers May 2020 #13
jaxexpat May 2020 #14
Duppers May 2020 #17
keithbvadu2 May 2020 #5
jaxexpat May 2020 #9
bucolic_frolic May 2020 #6
ancianita May 2020 #12
Buckeye_Democrat May 2020 #16
2naSalit May 2020 #19
LiberalArkie May 2020 #10
2naSalit May 2020 #18
Chainfire May 2020 #11
Buckeye_Democrat May 2020 #15

Response to betsuni (Original post)

Sat May 16, 2020, 05:10 AM

1. SOME americans don't trust experts has ALWAYS been the case, its worse now

 

after decades of home schooling, religious and private school education where critical thinking and reasoning been demolished

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Response to beachbumbob (Reply #1)

Sat May 16, 2020, 06:20 AM

4. I started noticing this in the eighties.

Republicans.

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Response to betsuni (Reply #4)

Sat May 16, 2020, 07:03 AM

8. GOP is built on ignorance and the notion that govt (and experts) are evil

 

why they historically anti-public education and anti-higher education. Knowledge is the ONLY antidote to ignorance and GOP only exist because of ignorance and the hate as the result.

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Response to beachbumbob (Reply #1)

Sat May 16, 2020, 06:59 AM

7. And the funny thing is

They the that they are using critical thinking and reasoning by not trusting them

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Response to betsuni (Original post)

Sat May 16, 2020, 05:57 AM

2. Someone recently posted this quote...

"Belief means not wanting to know what is true.
― Friedrich Nietzsche

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Response to Duppers (Reply #2)

Sat May 16, 2020, 06:19 AM

3. Far be it for me to attempt a refinement of herr Nietzche's quote but....

It could mean, Faith is belief which excuses one from the burden of discerning the truth.

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Response to jaxexpat (Reply #3)

Sat May 16, 2020, 01:06 PM

13. Wow, excellent. "Far be it..."? You're too modest!

Great job! 👍

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Response to Duppers (Reply #13)

Sat May 16, 2020, 04:24 PM

14. Thanks. I read a book once.

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Response to jaxexpat (Reply #14)

Sat May 16, 2020, 06:06 PM

17. 😂

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Response to betsuni (Original post)

Sat May 16, 2020, 06:28 AM

5. Two 'experts'

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Response to keithbvadu2 (Reply #5)

Sat May 16, 2020, 07:06 AM

9. I once worked for a guy who bragged about his "PHD, Public High school Diploma"

His pride in his ignorance was pretty off-putting to many and he never got it, that they laughed behind his back.

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Response to betsuni (Original post)

Sat May 16, 2020, 06:48 AM

6. Root is the narcissistic culture that breeds focus on 'me'

Because 'me' makes others and things outside ourselves irrelevant to our righteous self-determination. We have a long tradition. Puritanism, for example. Look at what they did to native American nations of New England. And as one other poster commented, home and religious schooling. It's a Puritan revival in some respects.

Rejection of outside forces breeds paranoia. Everyone is out to get me and mine. No one's reality is smarter than mine. So anyone 'smarter' is not really smarter, and if you let 'them' put one over on you, you're in dire straits indeed. So the experts must be wrong.

So at its heart i see focus on self and self-only, that runs through religious belief and self-righteousness, and rejection of all else, as the cause of denial of facts presented by experts.

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Response to bucolic_frolic (Reply #6)

Sat May 16, 2020, 11:09 AM

12. The easiest thing for grownups (not adults) to do.

One of the best framings I've read. Thanks for this.

The 'me' culture has a layer that deals with uncertainty or insecurity or the fear that, "even if there are smarter realities than mine, even ones that I can understand, I decide what is my reality, in the end.


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Response to bucolic_frolic (Reply #6)

Sat May 16, 2020, 04:35 PM

16. Excellent post!

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Response to bucolic_frolic (Reply #6)

Mon May 18, 2020, 02:30 AM

19. Good points.

Mention of the Puritans is apropos. I grew up mainly in the NE colonial states and back then, we heard a lot about those folks and the Indians. But mostly about the Puritans who seemed to morph into New England fundamentalist Baptists to whom I had significant exposure.

These irrationalists of our time will look for anything other than themselves to blame and reject what isn't divinely included in their minute world view. It's the same of the isolationist religions like the Amish and the Mennonites, Amanas, and Hutterites, they don't assimilate either. The ones who think they are driving culture are really only acting out what they see on teevee and now social media and some are meeting stupid challenges.

Science is something that they are scared of because they don;t understand it and don't want to, yes, as a badge of honor. I know a lot of people like that and it's troubling. They think I'm less likeable or whatever I have to say is subject to interrogation because I went to college... and how come I can't answer a question that has no reasonable, explainable answer that they will accept?

And purity in tribal cohesion means a lot to them when they are in each other's company but afterward, they act like each other with all their vices and crimes against themselves while thinking they can find absolution if they show up to church once in a while. But mostly they are spending all that time and effort trying to convince themselves more than others.

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Response to betsuni (Original post)

Sat May 16, 2020, 07:51 AM

10. I think it started with the tobacco scientists or scientists hired to come out with a specific

result.

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Response to LiberalArkie (Reply #10)

Mon May 18, 2020, 02:15 AM

18. +1

Seems like that's when it started. I don't rememebr antivaxxers until like fifteen years ago or less.

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Response to betsuni (Original post)

Sat May 16, 2020, 09:04 AM

11. This is why I love PBS

I think that his most important comments were about the politicians who know better, but are forced to pretend that they don't to support their agenda. That is the real problem in the country.

Pandering to ignorance in order to protect your position of power is destructive to our society. Trump does't fit that category because he is not pretending to be ignorant. The founders were smart enough to know that one day we may face such a defective "leader" therefore they chose a system with checks and balances based upon the theory that the majority of our elected officials would be honest, intelligent and honorable servants of and by the people and would be able to prevent a single man, or a fanatical minority, from destroying our society. They failed because they could not have envisioned the level of dishonesty of corp of professional politicians who we keep returning to office.

Trump and his Republican allies are now attacking the system of checks and balances because they do not want honesty and integrity to interfere with their goals of morphing our system of government from a Representative Democracy government to an unapologetic form American Fascism. The Republicans are working hard to insure that the needs of the people are not the dominant driving political force of our nation.

I also appreciated his articulation of the power of the tribalism that divides and drives the people. The Republicans are very successful in sustaining the emotional divisions of the country because they understand the value of "divide and conquer." That is why they feed right wing extremism. The Republicans don't really value or respect these types any more than we do, but they serve an important purpose. Our politicians keep both sides armed and fired up. While the people are fighting over "freedom," guns and abortions the Republicans are quietly assembling an impregnable fortress of power.

What many of us have a hard time understanding is that the Right Wing is never going to change because they have too much invested in their belief systems. I am not sure that is any different than us.... Understanding that we are not going to change the beliefs of 40% of the population is extremely important to our strategy of maintaining what is left of our Democracy.

The path for our way forward will be to not pander to the 40% on either end of the political spectrum, but to focus on the 20% in the middle that value some positions of both the right and the left. We will have to pick our battles based on impressing that segment of the voters. It may leave some foul tastes in our mouths, but better to bend in the wind than to break. Once we get a firm hold on the power we will be able to nudge the center our way by good governance.

If we fail in this election, running against the worst President in the history or our nation, we will not get another chance.

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Response to betsuni (Original post)

Sat May 16, 2020, 04:30 PM

15. I sometimes think TV dramas have caused it too.

Detective/police shows where the protagonist just "knows" who did the crime, and it ends with the assumption being true.

Lawyer shows that do the same thing.

Actually, I hope most Americans realize that behaving like a lawyer -- i.e., arguing for your side even when you KNOW it's wrong -- is no way to go through life outside a courtroom.

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