The Lincoln Project is not the friend of Progressives

[egbertowillies]

The Lincoln Project is doing great work against Donald Trump. While progressives should welcome their actions they should not fall into a false camaraderie.

https://egbertowillies.com/2020/07/18/progressives-lincoln-project-not-friend/

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

1. I don't care. If they can help get rid of Trump I'm all for them.

If they revert back to being Republican assholes after the election we'll deal with them then. Right now the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

[kimbutgar]

2. The enemy of my enemy is my friend

Especially now.

[Hoyt]

3. Right now, I appreciate their efforts.

[Dream Girl]

4. I think we all know this.

[lapfog_1]

5. I think of them as a harsh chemical treatment

to help us get rid of a cancer.

Once the cancer is gone... no more need for the chemical.

that said we will be forever grateful to have the aid of the treatment to eliminate the cancer.

[zentrum]

6. He's right.

Thank God they are there now, but we shouldn't be wooed.

If they really want to beat him they should raise all the issues about how and why the vote is rigged. Gerrymandering, hidden poll taxes, voter purges etc etc. But they won't because that really would effect all Republicans at every level.

[mucifer]

13. In their town hall they stated they are fighting voter suppression. Not sure what they are doing

But, they claim that is something they are working on.

[zentrum]

34. Interesting. Thanks.

[qazplm135]

7. sure they are...right now

later they won't be. So what. Temporary allies happen all of the time.
The idea that you think liberals somehow think they will forever be on our side and thus need your guidance to avoid this, shows how little you think of other liberals apparently.

[flying_wahini]

8. I have heard several of their talking heads say that they have left the GOP forever.

[Rural_Progressive]

21. They want to burn what it is now to the ground

and rebuild from the ashes. They are not liberals, they are not progressives and if you read Rick Wilson's book "Running Against the Devil" he point blank states that.

These guys are laser focused on getting rid of trump and if that means co-operating with us for the time being they're willing to do that. We should be as focused and stop being upset that these guys aren't going to show up at a campfire, roast marshmallow, and sing Kumbaya with us.

They're not changing who they are and they never claimed they were going to change,

[JudyM]

25. They are determined to renew the GOP, they are saying.

They talk passionately in GOP code about right to life, “small government,” “lowering taxes” just like the GOP, not like Dems.

[chowder66]

9. I 'like' or 'retweet' Meidastouch ads to help boost them.

But I also appreciate some of the Lincoln Project ads though I am concerned about the people behind them and their past rhetoric.

[doc03]

10. They are doing great ads for now though. nt

[hlthe2b]

11. When you come up with the $$ and the unbelievably effective ads that Lincoln Project does

you can admonish us for taking their support and even come out and directly accuse other DUers and Progressives of being the naive' dupes you suggest.

Until then, this is getting very old and ridiculous.

[Midnight Writer]

12. My question is where are the actual ads by liberals? LP is doing nothing we could not do.

I agree the ads are effective and hard hitting. And I welcome all the resources we can muster in what I see as a pivotal battle in our history.

But I am dumbfounded that it takes conservative expatriates to mount an effective ad campaign, especially when the opponents gaffes and blunders are so well documented.

Case in point. The all GOP delegation of US Senators that spent a Fourth of July holiday in Moscow. When I bring this up to my conservative friends, they really react. Why is this trip not a subject of Democratic ads?

Or the video of Trump saying "Why don't we go ahead and take their guns now and worry about due process later?" That should make the 2nd Amendment fundamentalists' heads explode. Yet I don't see that ad.

[mucifer]

14. Midias Touch is liberal and has great ads

https://meidastouch.com/

Don Winslow the author is making some great ads.
https://twitter.com/donwinslow

Biden's team has some great ads, too

[markpkessinger]

37. Yes, but Meidas Touch and Winslow ads are not going to move the target audience...

... Remember, the Lincoln Project is aiming at a very narrow slice of Republicans, because it knows that Trump can be defeated if a small percentage of Republicans vote against him.

[alwaysinasnit]

15. Redemption requires that the Never-trumpers acknowledge their part in creating the apparatus

that allowed such a POS to preside over the presidency. That would include the voter suppression, gerrymandering, the take-over of state legislatures, etc. Redemption would also require that they work to reverse that apparatus, not just removing 45 from the White House. That said, I won't be holding my breath.

[markpkessinger]

38. We can remind them of that after Trump is defeated n/t

[OilemFirchen]

16. Remember when the Reagan Republicans...

shunned the masses of Democrats who migrated their way?

Yeah. Me neither

[ThoughtCriminal]

17. These guys make really good flamethrowers

And for once they are pointing them in the right direction. But a few cautions:

1) Very few people are actually seeing these ads. They are primarily aiming them straight at Trump and are really getting under his skin.

2) The day may come when they will point the flamethrower back at Democrats. It is the kind of skill they would be pointing at Biden if he was running against someone like Romney.

3) We could learn a thing or two from them without becoming them. They know how to destroy, but not how to run a government.

[AJT]

18. When 45 is defeated they will turn their negative aggression back to the Democrats.

Just remember how good they are at being nasty.

[bucolic_frolic]

29. They've already started

Listen closely to the tweets of their members for subtle angles against protestors. Steve Schmidt today mentioned "anarchists". It's like yeah, he's against Trump's tactics, but he has to remind you what he thinks of the protestors.

[markpkessinger]

35. That's true, but consider the audience they are aiming at . . .

. . . Their ads are targeted towards fellow Republicans who support Trump. No one is going to convince any Trump voter that the protesters are anything other than anarchists. Schmidt knows who he is speaking to.

[bucolic_frolic]

40. Good point!

I need to broaden my radar.

[paleotn]

19. Well no.....

The enemy of my enemy may be my friend for a short while, he's still my enemy. Just not as bad as the existential threat we're both fighting. And one could argue the Lincoln Project is Dr. Frankenstein trying to reign in the monster he created. While we appreciate the help, guys like Wilson carry much responsibility for this debacle.

[MuseRider]

20. Trump is the biggest enemy of all.

I am feeling quite tired of reading this. Of course we are not all so stupid to think that this will not carry past the election, unless Trump wins again.

I think y'all should stop being so concerned that the ex R's in that group are doing better anti Trump ads than anyone. Yes the others are good but not like these. They are not targeted at Democrats and actually they are not usually targeted at the Republicans I believe because Trump is the enemy of all. They probably think we are all smart enough to realize what is going on. Sadly it seems "our side" think we are as stupid as Trump does.

[JI7]

22. They aren't claiming to be progressive or friends of progressives

what's with the victim complex that some so called progressives have ?

We need all the help and votes we can get to win and that means people who lean different politically.

[JI7]

23. There are so called progressives who are no friends of progressive causes

They love to discourage support for Democrats during elections.

at a time when trump and barr are sending out thugs to grab innocent people off the streets they are more concerned about purity if those who want to get rid if trump.

[cayugafalls]

24. Do we actually think we could achieve a purge of the republican party of these trump-lites

without their help?

I get it, they did bad things.

I hope they keep doing bad things to the republican party until not one single trump lite person is left.

I hope we learn from them how to play the game. Once they are done rebuilding the republican party at least we will know our enemy well enough to fight them on their own terms, IF WE PAY ATTENTION.

That is all, sorry for the mini-rant.

[JI7]

27. It's mainly career "progressives" who have issues with them

their whole thing is how others ars lacking in perfection and purity.

[magicguido]

26. they make better ads than we do.

[ancianita]

28. Oh, we do not. No need to warn us. We know. It's typical of Republicans to think we don't know them.

[TomSlick]

30. Bushwah.

We all know the Lincoln Project is Republican - that's what makes them so effective. This isn't about philosophical purity. It's about defeating Trump and his sycophants.

If the Republicans in the Lincoln Project can advance that objective, that cannot be a bad thing.

[Thekaspervote]

32. This!

[Upthevibe]

31. Thank you for this post....

It's very important for us to remember our definite ideological differences. Having said that, someone else posted what sums it up and what I agree with: The enemy of my enemy is my friend....

[markpkessinger]

36. Has anyone forgotten this?

I don't really think so.

[A Clear n Present D]

33. True

But it is a friend to all who wish to be rid of Trump! Dems can resume our internecine battles after that goal has been achieved.

[OnDoutside]

39. Egberto, it depends on what you mean by Progressive. You don't have to buy into their politics, no

more than the US bought into the Stalinist ideology after working together to defeat Hitler. This is grown up time.

[NurseJackie]

41. Oh brother!