Has Cancel Culture Gone Too Far? Amanpour and Company Interview

[janterry]

A thoughtful dialogue about censorious behavior between Walter Isaacson and Thomas Chatterton Williams

[CBHagman]

1. Thank you for posting.

I missed this segment.

[agingdem]

2. there is no such thing as cancel culture

it's called boycotting..it's a statement of non-support for any business that is racial/ethnic/gender biased..boycotting is "walking the walk"...

[janterry]

3. I liked the discussion

I found it enlightening.

[Voltaire2]

7. Yup.

Mostly it is privileged media elites horrified that the peasants on twitter also have a voice.

[agingdem]

8. ok..

if "cancel culture" isn't a thing why is it a discussion?...it's like the white assholes who voted for Trump...for years the NYT and WP have wasted print on the 'need to understand' them...why?...they hate and the orange maggot gives voice to their hate...so what is there to "understand"?....do I care what crap in their childhoods turned them into vile human beings...no...do I really give a damn why the Goya jerk slobbers over the orange maggot...no...but I will never buy any Goya products again and I have encouraged friends and family to do the same...and that's called boycotting..

[Voltaire2]

12. Nobody much gets 'canceled' for starters.

But indeed I have been horrified by the normalization of nazis, I only wish the uproar about cancel culture from the people who signed on to the letter was about that, but they avoided taking a position in support of Nazi normalization and instead are terribly concerned about their own utterances being disapproved by normal people on twitter. They explicitly agreed that some opinions were out of bounds, just not theirs.

[agingdem]

13. My parents were Auschwitz "alums"

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my childhood was all about surviving the next Hitler...hiding money and jewelry in holes drilled into the slab under our beds...the stashed "loot" was my father's insurance policy..pay off the SS guards so we could escape...Trump's Nazi normalization isn't the beginning of this phenomenon it's the culmination of it...Trump brought christian white hate for "the other" out of the shadows and into the White House... allowed a rancid congressman to refer to a hispanic female representative as a "fucking bitch" with no blowback from the GOP..babies in cages, storm troopers in Portland, Seattle, and now Chicago, 148,000 lives lost ...all ok...no outrage...but when we boycott and threaten the bottom line of Republican ass-kissing sycophants then boycotting becomes "cancel culture"...

[McKim]

15. My Jewish Neighbor is Freaking Out

My Jewish neighbor is freezing out about the rise of Fascism here in the US. He is a reasonable adult who is retired from a very important job, an intelligent and stable person. I am listening to him!

[Sherman A1]

4. I do not believe it has gone nearly far enough

We need to learn our history and then start dealing with it in a much more informed method.

[janterry]

5. I think Williams' take on this is wise

n/t

[agingdem]

6. yes..

My parents were Holocaust survivors...my father's only surviving brother emigrated to what was then Palestine...when Coca Cola went into Egypt six bottles of Coke went into the trash..they refused to buy any German-made products and would curse anyone driving a Ford...that was their way of making a statement...I learned from them...I liken it to voting...my one vote may not seem significant but when my vote is "bundled" with millions of other one votes I make a difference...same goes for boycotting a person/place/ or thing that spews hate...

[cp]

9. What they did not even touch on is our weakened journalism (and its readers)

When journalism is funded and valued, there is investigation, confirmation, and examination of a story before it is disseminated. Who, what, where, when, and why.
With social media, only speed (and sometimes salaciousness) seems to matter. Social media does not allow careful investigation and vetting for accuracy before it's a hot topic.

[CatLady78]

11. Correct

With social media, only speed (and sometimes salaciousness) seems to matter. Social media does not allow careful investigation and vetting for accuracy before it's a hot topic.

[CatLady78]

10. I recommend this-it is not Ivanka's cancel culture

He is not making illiberal or right wing points at all.
I personally am not that bothered about celebrities like Rowling. And that term cancel culture is tainted by its association with that ass Ivanka. And it is the sort of thing actual right wing nuts like Tucker Carlson would try to hijack, but all that said, he makes good points. Christian Cooper himself made similar points. He was uncomfortable with the backlash.

To quote/paraphrase this oped:
https://www.newsday.com/opinion/commentary/twitter-mobs-racial-justice-freedom-of-speech-trump-policing-speech-ny-times-1.45558443

You don't want a world where people cynically learn to mouth the right things (by reading a crowd) while hardening their illiberal views. Trump himself is a cynical creep whose only "expertise" is in reading a crowd. This is not a talent anyone who is not a politician or an influencer can want to cultivate. Some of that is the crappiness of group dynamics...

[plimsoll]

14. Exactly so, its only "cancel culture" when it hurts rich entitled people.

I'm sure we all recall the outrage when the right ginned up its outrage and boycott of the Chicks?

It is a dangerous weapon though, particularly in an environment where accuracy, and honesty cannot be assumed.

[CatLady78]

16. True

I remember that...