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EarlG

(21,947 posts)
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 10:34 AM Sep 2012

Pic Of The Moment: Romney Pays Top Staff $200,000 In Bonuses



Familiar?: Mitt Hands Top Staff Hefty Bonuses While Borrowing Millions

Romney campaign hits a financial snag



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Pic Of The Moment: Romney Pays Top Staff $200,000 In Bonuses (Original Post) EarlG Sep 2012 OP
What? ONLY $200k split up??? Zambero Sep 2012 #1
"Bonuses"?? beac Sep 2012 #2
i think it's more like "please don't quit on me" money. unblock Sep 2012 #3
I believe you're right JohnnyRingo Sep 2012 #5
truth is, a lot of people do that anyway, at least in the business world. unblock Sep 2012 #6
how do those bonuses affect the bottom line? yurbud Sep 2012 #33
labor expenses. unblock Sep 2012 #34
that makes it seem less like just skimming from the company to pay off cronies but yurbud Sep 2012 #35
well, bonuses at that point were definitely dickish and politically unwise. unblock Sep 2012 #36
I figured the only justification was the collectively conned the Federal government yurbud Sep 2012 #37
Too little too late for campaign co-chair Tim Pawlenty. SunSeeker Sep 2012 #7
+1,000,000! C'mon--that's a good two months' salary, guys!!! C'mon, maaaaan! nt MADem Sep 2012 #15
lol Do Not Tell Alls! Cha Sep 2012 #18
bonuses for doing such a heckuva job & wasting his minions' million$ wordpix Sep 2012 #4
You Cha Sep 2012 #19
"Heckuva job!" was my first thought, too. pacalo Sep 2012 #22
wonder how much they were paid before the bonuses. dixiegrrrrl Sep 2012 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Sep 2012 #9
That's the FIRST thing I thought, just like Bain. Take other people's money for yourselves. progressivebydesign Sep 2012 #10
This is the funniest one yet Major Nikon Sep 2012 #11
AND a 47 percenter, with his grubby little hand out!!! MADem Sep 2012 #16
Republican Ethos: Reward Failure dynasaw Sep 2012 #12
My big, fat non-profit bonus story Vox Moi Sep 2012 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Sep 2012 #17
We used that 30% overhead figure on Tea Partier counter-demonstrations at one patrice Sep 2012 #26
"Loot"? Cha Sep 2012 #20
"drifting on a money stream that is health care in the USA" happens even in low-end elder care & patrice Sep 2012 #25
In the hole financially? Give the people who screwed up huge bonuses! It's the Wall St. way damn it! Initech Sep 2012 #14
To whom is the debt owed? Tiffany's? alp227 Sep 2012 #21
You're so Bain Mitt Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Sep 2012 #23
Royal cream rises until it putrifies. Q. What kind of business is this? A. BAD for business . . . patrice Sep 2012 #24
If he really wanted to run it like a CEO NewJeffCT Sep 2012 #27
And then selling off to the highest bidder, but wait, he's already done that. lonestarnot Sep 2012 #29
Like a cheap two dollar tip to mitwitt. Means nothing to him. lonestarnot Sep 2012 #28
"Wanted to run America like a business" Hubert Flottz Sep 2012 #30
This Man Should Not Be President erpowers Sep 2012 #31
in fairness, he probably had to pay at least that much to keep them from fleeing yurbud Sep 2012 #32

Zambero

(8,964 posts)
1. What? ONLY $200k split up???
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 10:40 AM
Sep 2012

C'mon Mitt, stop being so stingy. Based on where you're at right now they deserve at least a million bucks each.... Just make sure they stay the course!!!

beac

(9,992 posts)
2. "Bonuses"??
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 10:43 AM
Sep 2012

Is that what we are calling hush money now?

Too bad, Mittens! I predict "Game Change II" is gonna be a best seller.

JohnnyRingo

(18,628 posts)
5. I believe you're right
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 10:47 AM
Sep 2012

It would indeed be pretty hard to walk out right after cashing a hefty bonus check. Probably something Mitt learned in Harvard Business.

unblock

(52,208 posts)
6. truth is, a lot of people do that anyway, at least in the business world.
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 11:11 AM
Sep 2012

wall street bonuses are typically paid in december or january, and it's common for people to jump ship in february.
if you're thinking of leaving in october, why not stick it out a few more months to collect that bonus that's 75% accrued?

but politics is different, it's all about appearance and for top advisors, it would NOT look good to do that.

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
33. how do those bonuses affect the bottom line?
Sat Sep 22, 2012, 12:24 PM
Sep 2012

are they counted as labor expenses, profit-taking, or what?

unblock

(52,208 posts)
34. labor expenses.
Sat Sep 22, 2012, 12:52 PM
Sep 2012

generally wall street has billed the annual bonuses as backward-looking; if the company, your business unit, and you do great then you get a big fat bonus, less so otherwise. but the reality is that bonuses are used by management to keep the people they want to keep and get rid of the people they want to get rid of. so really, they're forward-looking.

i found this out the hard way when i had a great first half of a year and then got into a car accident (actually i was a passenger in a cab on the way home from a late night *at work*). i still made some great contributions in the second half, but all my boss's boss saw was me out for physical therapy a lot. notwithstanding that i was nearly all better by bonus time, management thought there was a big disconnect between my performance over the year and my likely performance in the future. so the bonus i got was about one third of what it should have been (i know this for a fact because i had discussions with my then-boss after we both had left that company).


in any event, bonuses could be done as profit-sharing, but that would HAVE to be backward-looking. they do it as labor income so that they can use their judgement, i.e., screw people like me.

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
35. that makes it seem less like just skimming from the company to pay off cronies but
Sat Sep 22, 2012, 01:49 PM
Sep 2012

is there any reasonable explanation for the bonuses on Wall Street after they crashed the world economy and needed to be bailed out?

The "keep the people you want" justification seems shakier when your employees have nowhere to go that's likely to offer them more or be in better financial shape.

unblock

(52,208 posts)
36. well, bonuses at that point were definitely dickish and politically unwise.
Sat Sep 22, 2012, 02:07 PM
Sep 2012

but they could certainly argue that as long as there were at least TWO investment banks left, there's a need to pay the rainmakers big bucks to keep them from going to the other place.

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
37. I figured the only justification was the collectively conned the Federal government
Sat Sep 22, 2012, 04:00 PM
Sep 2012

so they earned them in that sense.

SunSeeker

(51,550 posts)
7. Too little too late for campaign co-chair Tim Pawlenty.
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 11:13 AM
Sep 2012

$200K is chump change compared to what he'll make at his new job as a bank lobbyist.

pacalo

(24,721 posts)
22. "Heckuva job!" was my first thought, too.
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 04:29 PM
Sep 2012

You deserve bonus points for pointing out Rob-me's welfare racket.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
8. wonder how much they were paid before the bonuses.
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 11:30 AM
Sep 2012

I have yet to hear anything about Dems using their campaign donations to buy expensive clothes, pay off personal bills, etx
whcih we have heard so much of Republican campaigns doing. (remember Palin and her clothing bills??)
Then again, who audits how campaigns spend?

Response to EarlG (Original post)

progressivebydesign

(19,458 posts)
10. That's the FIRST thing I thought, just like Bain. Take other people's money for yourselves.
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 11:46 AM
Sep 2012

The donors should be pissed beyond belief. I would sue him to get my donation back. Seriously. You don't pay bonuses to campaign staff. He is FLEECING his donors!! They are doing the Bain model. Get money from other people, trash the organization, pay yourself and your pals, then cry poverty.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
11. This is the funniest one yet
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 12:06 PM
Sep 2012

Rmoney will take presidential matching funds also, which also means he's a parasite.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
16. AND a 47 percenter, with his grubby little hand out!!!
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 12:33 PM
Sep 2012

Amazing how this guy can be a one percenter one day, and a forty seven percenter the next!!

Maybe he'll grab himself a piece of cardboard box and write a slogan on it and call himself one of the 99 percent, too!

Vox Moi

(546 posts)
13. My big, fat non-profit bonus story
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 12:24 PM
Sep 2012

Here's two I got while working for a leading non-profit Boston Hospital, no less.
I got $600 for nothing I did, in particular. We all got a share of the loot.
The hospital needed to increase it's overhead in order to avoid showing a profit that year. It worked.

The second bonus was more revealing. I was traveling with a group of Harvard MDs for a conference, at hospital expense.
We all got bumped from a flight due to weather and the airlines gave us each a $300 voucher. We were re-scheduled and actually arrived at our destination before the original timetable.
The docs were all grinning over this windfall but I suggested that since the hospital was footing the bill, the hospital owned the vouchers. The MDs seemed to think that this was quite naive. They kept the change.
When I got back I went to the travel office and offered to give my voucher to the hospital. Nobody had done anything like that before and the office explained that there was no accounting procedure to accept the voucher and I ought to keep it.
It occurred to me that with all the travel that MDs and senior administrators do, there must have been many instances like this and nobody had ever offered to give up the voucher. Maybe it was one of those little perks that best go unmentioned.

In both cases I had done nothing to deserve something extra; I was simply drifting on money stream that is health care in the USA.

When getting a bonus is detached from any measure of merit, it's not a bonus. I'm not sure what word to use but 'dishonesty' comes to mind. Any suggestions?

Response to Vox Moi (Reply #13)

patrice

(47,992 posts)
26. We used that 30% overhead figure on Tea Partier counter-demonstrations at one
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 05:42 PM
Sep 2012

congressional office or another around here during the health-care debate in 2010.

I made special effort to be sane and to be understood about that 30% as I directed brief comments to TP-ers over and over.

Not one ever reacted like it meant anything at all.

Not. one.

patrice

(47,992 posts)
25. "drifting on a money stream that is health care in the USA" happens even in low-end elder care &
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 05:37 PM
Sep 2012

long-term-care for the disabled, both of which cohorts have NO options.

Initech

(100,068 posts)
14. In the hole financially? Give the people who screwed up huge bonuses! It's the Wall St. way damn it!
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 12:26 PM
Sep 2012

patrice

(47,992 posts)
24. Royal cream rises until it putrifies. Q. What kind of business is this? A. BAD for business . . .
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 05:34 PM
Sep 2012

Bribery to do the minimum and look-the-other-way.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
27. If he really wanted to run it like a CEO
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 06:24 PM
Sep 2012

he would also lay off a bunch of low level staffers, and then claim the bonuses are rewards to the top guys for saving money.

Hubert Flottz

(37,726 posts)
30. "Wanted to run America like a business"
Sat Sep 22, 2012, 06:56 AM
Sep 2012

Overload it with debt so it becomes bankrupt with nobody working there anymore and then sell off anything of any value left of our company/country to the Chinese?

erpowers

(9,350 posts)
31. This Man Should Not Be President
Sat Sep 22, 2012, 10:25 AM
Sep 2012

Most of these staffers should be fired or forced to take deep cuts in pay. Why are these staffers, especially the campaign manager, the policy advisor, or the communication team, getting bonuses? The only thing a supporter of these staffers can say is that Mitt Romney does not listen to anyone so the problems with his campaign are probably not the fault of his staff.

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
32. in fairness, he probably had to pay at least that much to keep them from fleeing
Sat Sep 22, 2012, 12:22 PM
Sep 2012

I'd demand a statement too that said Romney ignored all my campaign advice which is why he is doing so poorly.

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