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Maraya1969

(23,444 posts)
Tue Sep 1, 2020, 11:37 AM Sep 2020

"Christians" are saying this kid is a hero. Here is a second by second video of the shootings

by NBC Now. It is very clear from the video that the people approaching him were trying to get his gun away. They are saying that he had already shot someone but I don't know about that.

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mzmolly

(52,714 posts)
15. He had a loaded weapon
Tue Sep 1, 2020, 04:39 PM
Sep 2020

which he carried illegally, so I think that's going to be the key. Those in pursuit had a right not to be shot, or allow another person to be shot, regardless.

mysteryowl

(8,733 posts)
16. Plus, he called someone on his cell and said, "I just killed someone" or "I just shot someone"
Tue Sep 1, 2020, 04:46 PM
Sep 2020

I am not sure which one he said, but one of them.

Thomas Hurt

(13,975 posts)
3. Cops everywhere at the end, a white guy with an AR is walking up the street...
Tue Sep 1, 2020, 12:00 PM
Sep 2020

there have been gunshots prior to this, and. they. do. nothing.

He has to approach them. Not sure if they talked to him at the end there or not.

Jamastiene

(38,206 posts)
5. One thing they did not mention in the video was that after he put his hands in the air,
Tue Sep 1, 2020, 12:08 PM
Sep 2020

he reached down at least once and grabbed the AR again while walking toward police.

matt819

(10,749 posts)
4. Self defense
Tue Sep 1, 2020, 12:05 PM
Sep 2020

Isn't this along the lines of the apocryphal story of a child he kills his parents and throws himself on the mercy of the court because he's an orphan?

The self defense was against people who were trying to capture him after he killed one person.

PatrickforO

(15,383 posts)
6. Exactly. This kid isn't a hero.
Tue Sep 1, 2020, 12:16 PM
Sep 2020

He's a domestic terrorist who has ruined his life after being brainwashed by hate-propaganda.

Thomas Hurt

(13,975 posts)
7. Not sure he can sell self defense...
Tue Sep 1, 2020, 12:18 PM
Sep 2020

when he could have stayed home in another state and city.

Had no business in Kenosha during a protest that we have heard yet, other than to agitate.

Knew there was violence or he wouldn't have brought a gun

Then went looking for trouble on the streets

Shot someone and calls someone to report it. Standing there calmly telling someone about it. 911? His mother? His fellow agitators?

Then shoots more people who are unarmed and want his gun and to stop him.

and was probably violating the law having a weapon. I have been seeing he was not old enough to have a gun in WI.



lunatica

(53,410 posts)
11. The entire case rests on his state of mind which led to
Tue Sep 1, 2020, 01:42 PM
Sep 2020

what appears to be pre-mediated actions. He had to travel to another town to do whatever his intent was. He chose to take a loaded weapon and then he chose to use it. He created the escalated conflict in which he became afraid for his life.

This reminds me so much of George Zimmerman’s actions and defense that I wonder if there’s some loophole this little shit can escape through.

In edit, I just looked up if Wisconsin has a stand your ground law, and it doesn’t.

rwsanders

(3,176 posts)
8. Well there is no more Christ in these "christians" than there was socialism under the Nazis.
Tue Sep 1, 2020, 12:24 PM
Sep 2020

As someone who professes Christianity, their support and sympathy is appalling and horrifying. I'm dreading going back into any church because I know that many around me will feel that way. At least I know there are others that get it (check the end of this video).
Sadly too many people can read a document and never quite understand it. I had a co-worker who was Baptist and we were in a dispute on a policy issue. We both read the same document and it was amazing to hear the suppositions and additions that he added to the document that clearly were not there. Sadly he is also a federal marshal, so I'd hate to be on the other end of any of his actions because he just makes shit up. But I wonder how much his religion influenced or enabled his tendency to do so.




tblue37

(68,340 posts)
12. He HAD shot the guy by the cars. He shot him in the head and then ran, being chased
Tue Sep 1, 2020, 01:55 PM
Sep 2020

by people yelling that he had just shot someone.

cheezmaka

(785 posts)
17. I wonder if the police took him to McDonald's or Burger King after detained...
Tue Sep 1, 2020, 05:45 PM
Sep 2020

And some Christians have the nerve to call him a "hero" when Jesus in the Bible preached "love" and was against "hate"!

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