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Pennsylvanian Republican: Telling it Like it Is About Trump (Original Post) Rhiannon12866 Sep 2020 OP
K&R! SheltieLover Sep 2020 #1
I wasn't sure what to expect when I came across this, but this guy is great! Rhiannon12866 Sep 2020 #2
Sure does! SheltieLover Sep 2020 #3
Oh, that would be the ideal place for him! Rhiannon12866 Sep 2020 #4
Lol SheltieLover Sep 2020 #17
I love it! cayugafalls Sep 2020 #5
I share these on FB all the time - It usually shuts up the 'undecided'. GoneOffShore Sep 2020 #6
How anyone can possibly be "undecided" now boggles the mind Rhiannon12866 Sep 2020 #7
Go back to the 2008 David Sedaris article on 'Undecided Voters'. GoneOffShore Sep 2020 #8
One would think they'd be desperate to get rid of Trump just to stay alive in this pandemic! Rhiannon12866 Sep 2020 #10
He indeed seems like an old-school Republican voter... Buckeye_Democrat Sep 2020 #9
Trump is not a Republican, that's the thing. Rhiannon12866 Sep 2020 #11
Just like Buckeye Democrat noted BumRushDaShow Sep 2020 #12
And like every Republican I knew, my Dad's family (except my grandfather) were Republicans Rhiannon12866 Sep 2020 #13
I think they have reached an endpoint BumRushDaShow Sep 2020 #14
I think that's it - traditional Republicans weren't this "extreme" Rhiannon12866 Sep 2020 #15
The one thing I have noticed here in PA BumRushDaShow Sep 2020 #16
But I Don't Drink Coffee! panfluteman Sep 2020 #18

Rhiannon12866

(202,963 posts)
2. I wasn't sure what to expect when I came across this, but this guy is great!
Sun Sep 13, 2020, 03:23 AM
Sep 2020

Tells it exactly like it is - he really belongs in a campaign ad!

Rhiannon12866

(202,963 posts)
4. Oh, that would be the ideal place for him!
Sun Sep 13, 2020, 03:28 AM
Sep 2020

Though his language might not be suitable for the mainstream, he'd fit right in here on DU!

Rhiannon12866

(202,963 posts)
7. How anyone can possibly be "undecided" now boggles the mind
Sun Sep 13, 2020, 04:52 AM
Sep 2020

When things were going smoothly, folks had the luxury of not paying much attention, but this time around the unrelenting dire news and the chaos everyone is experiencing is impossible to ignore.

GoneOffShore

(17,308 posts)
8. Go back to the 2008 David Sedaris article on 'Undecided Voters'.
Sun Sep 13, 2020, 05:01 AM
Sep 2020

And they want to be wooed.

Fucking wooed?

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,846 posts)
9. He indeed seems like an old-school Republican voter...
Sun Sep 13, 2020, 05:03 AM
Sep 2020

... who you could debate, in a civil manner, about fairness and merit.

Over the years, the GOP has become more of a party of grifters with Trump as one of the worst examples.

Rhiannon12866

(202,963 posts)
11. Trump is not a Republican, that's the thing.
Sun Sep 13, 2020, 05:14 AM
Sep 2020

Actual Republicans believe in the values that this guy does, not a "leader" who defies laws. The fact that so many so-called Republicans ignored the solid evidence presented during the impeachment hearings bears that out. I cannot imagine how they're going to go back to what they were before Trump turned their party into a cult of Trump - the craziness has spread across the country and I can't see them putting the genie back into the bottle - and anyone running as a Republican now has to be facing an uncertain future at best.

BumRushDaShow

(127,260 posts)
12. Just like Buckeye Democrat noted
Sun Sep 13, 2020, 06:01 AM
Sep 2020

THAT is the type of Republican that used to populate PA. People saw that type with Tom Ridge (who finally woke up and spoke out recently) and Dick Thornburgh (who became AG under Reagan/Poppy and needs to do the same).

I called most of them "annoying Republicans" because they had fixated on the Reagan doctrine policy positions to the point of ridiculousness, but at least they were consistent. And yet they have sat silently while the current crop in control of the GOP have done more damage than any Democrat could have done to eviscerate Reagan and the traditional GOP "values".

Their party has been hijacked by absolute loons who have not only thrown Reagan under the bus, but have made the nativist "Pat Buchanan Wing" of their party the "norm" while competing to see who can talk and act even more extreme, and they have someone in office now with the power to destroy any semblance of what the GOP used to claim they represented and what the Constitution set forth to achieve.

Rhiannon12866

(202,963 posts)
13. And like every Republican I knew, my Dad's family (except my grandfather) were Republicans
Sun Sep 13, 2020, 06:14 AM
Sep 2020

I cannot imagine even one of them giving Trump a second look, let alone taking him seriously. I still don't know how anyone who shared the values of George H.W. Bush, for example, can possibly support Trump. We know that Poppy Bush voted against him and Barbara Bush was extremely outspoken against him. So how can these Trump followers still call themselves Republicans?? And I'm including the senators who ostentatiously ignored the solid evidence against him presented in the impeachment hearings - that should have been a "slam dunk" - as the guy in the video said, they traditionally believe in laws!

And we know that Trump didn't start out being a Republican - apparently he espoused anything that he thought was expedient. So what's going to happen to the Republican party without Trump? Since it's turned into the blind-support-of-whatever-Trump-says-or-does-at-the moment party - and he's what his crazed cult followers believe in, not any principles or philosophy.

BumRushDaShow

(127,260 posts)
14. I think they have reached an endpoint
Sun Sep 13, 2020, 06:45 AM
Sep 2020

because if any "sane" Republican attempts to take back their brand, they are going to have to fight hard for the "Independents", a group who I believe includes many GOPers who left their party but weren't comfortable with voting for Democrats (at least as a way to incrementally become relevant again). Otherwise they will never be able to capture the GOP terrorist crazies who have been "activated" like robots and who are apparently willing to be consistent voters if catered to, but only if the candidate professes the most extreme of policy positions.

Rhiannon12866

(202,963 posts)
15. I think that's it - traditional Republicans weren't this "extreme"
Sun Sep 13, 2020, 06:56 AM
Sep 2020

And Trump has pushed the envelope even among the extremists! So what happens to the Trump followers once he's defeated and hopefully faces legal repercussions? Will they start their own party and what will they call it? Or will the Republicans in Congress continue to defy norms and laws the way they have been under Trump??

But the way things have been going, it seems like the "sane" Republicans you mentioned have made the sane decision, joined with the one sane and responsible party that we have left. And we all can name them - the Lincoln Project, for example - and I don't think the well-spoken guy in the video is an exception among those who have been paying attention.


BumRushDaShow

(127,260 posts)
16. The one thing I have noticed here in PA
Sun Sep 13, 2020, 07:26 AM
Sep 2020

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is that many who did vote for Trump were literally "1st time voters". He woke up quite a few of previously disengaged people - just like Obama did for many Democrats. These deplorables relegated to being the underbelly of our society and my hope is that they go back to sleep under their rocks. Their vileness and hatefulness has been exposed full bore - even moreso than when an initial group were activated and primed the "Tea Party" crap in 2010, because it is being nurtured and stoked from the top.

And agree that the guy in the video is definitely NOT the "exception", but they are also the ones sat back during the "Tea Party" nonsense and allowed it to take fruit (eventually getting hijacked by more and more social wedge issues given their supposed initial focus on "taxes" and "fiscal responsibility" ). They have learned that by lock-stepping, they can later petition for their own less extreme positions, although now they have been rebuffed.

Examples of that "moderate/conservate" GOP pivot include people like Orin Hatch and yes even Lindsey Graham, who were originally "annoying Republicans" who quickly realized that if they didn't go along with the crazy, then they would lose their seats. Hatch watched his former colleague in UT - Bob Bennett - get soundly "primaried" by the crazies, resulting in the election of Mike Lee, so he made the decision to go extreme before he retired. And yet this group was also apparently so appalled with the election of Obama to 2 terms that they decided to cut off their noses to spite their face (and that includes McConnell). But now they are regretting that botched surgery because that kept them from smelling the rot that their party has allowed to fester.

panfluteman

(2,054 posts)
18. But I Don't Drink Coffee!
Sun Sep 13, 2020, 02:20 PM
Sep 2020

How about waking up and smelling the roses? Or waking up and smelling the hot herb tea? Otherwise, a fine video.

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