A theory about 45's covid infection I'm beginning to wrap my brain around

[Mira]

It's presented by Glenn Kirschner, who has my huge respect. I thought it impossible, but then, after the miracle of putting the infection behind him in 3 days I'm having thoughts of agreeing with it as a possibility. A lot of people would be involved in the deception, but they are obviously lying anyway.

Thoughts?

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[Binkie The Clown]

1. Trump is lying (of course) and is sicker than they are letting on. nt

[Mira]

3. That was my thinking also

until I listened to this presentation, twice, with my jaw slack. And definitely this morning's "no symptoms" report supports Mr. Kirschner's theory.

[Escurumbele]

8. I don't know that is what Kirschner is saying

If I understand him correctly what he is saying is that this guy never got sick, it is just theatre and shameful that those Drs have played along with it.

[vapor2]

2. Kirschner is a 30 yr federal prosecutor and VERY credible

Don Lemon pretty much said the same thing about this con.

[hvn_nbr_2]

4. If I knew what the theory is, I might be willing to spend 11 minutes listening

but I'm not going to listen for 11 minutes just to find out what this post about.

[Wicked Blue]

5. Same here

I really hate posts with links to tweets or videos that give no information about what they contain

[Mira]

12. I posted a synopsis for you down in the thread n/t

[Mira]

11. I posted it for you down in the thread n/t

[luvallpeeps]

6. He is credible for sure.

He touched on a lot of things that I had rolling around in my head. The comments from Dr. Conley regarding something to hide. It's just so different from other Dr.s comments. The fact that he feels 20 years younger? Come on now! Everyone else who gets this either gets sick, or doesn't even know they have it perhaps, but for him to say he felt an improvement? Please. But his base will eat it up. With this president, whose very election is in question, nothing would surprise me. It is feasible that he faked it. Unlikely, but very on-brand.

[matt819]

7. I have found

that Glenn Kirschner is worth listening to. In this particular video, he knows no more than we do, and, yes, he is speculating, but it's worth a listen because he's intelligent and thoughtful. Also, this video was obviously made before last night's release from the hospital and the Mussolini imitation/interpretation at the WH. Kirschner's take might be different today. But, again, he's not shrill, and I for one feel that it's time well spent. When trump leaves the WH, the analysis of people like Kirschner - a 30-year federal prosecutor - will be useful.

[Escurumbele]

9. I think his instinct as a prosecutor has kicked in and he believes this is just another con

I don't think he believes trump is sick. I subscribe to that, and if trump walks around tomorrow like nothing happened then that will prove that it was just a show.

I guess we will see.

[Mira]

10. A brief synopsis for those who wanted it

The gist of Mr. Kirschner’s argument is that he suspects we may be pawns in a possible hoax, he is surmising that much about the illness is fishy, and probably there is no infection at all.
He is taking apart some of the ways in which we are being misled, and though we already know that this is an obvious fact, he is saying the lies could be going in the other direction Not that 45 is sicker than we are led to believe, but that he is faking it.

Kirschner may well change his mind as things progress, I subscribed to his podcast and will keep an ear out for it, and I may change mine as time goes on but as of now I am uneasy and the entire thing could really be a first class put on. Many are lying to us no matter which way the truth lies. Pun intended.

My thinking:
The 3 day infection, and recovery, are definitely suspect to me.

The President wants to stop all attention to the virus and allow Herd “Mentality” as he called it to set in.
That would mean eventually to have 65 or more percent of the population infected which would end up killing millions but after all that is behind us and the graves are dug we would have the herd immunity and the markets can flourish and the greenways mowed and prepared.

That desire of his and selling us on it would be bolstered by

him getting the illness and professing it not being a big deal
him saying it’s not anything to fear and modeling it
and him acting like an old fashioned Superman, 20 years younger, to fool the people into also taking off their masks.

We are in such trouble!

[Wicked Blue]

13. Thank you Mira!

I posted yesterday that I think this is all a hoax. Several people on DU told me that was nonsense

[Mira]

14. I don't know for sure yet what to think

for a good while I was in the camp he is sicker than they let on, but as things unfold I am looking at the other side. One thing as MIchael Moore says is permanently true: Believe nothing!

[Escurumbele]

21. I have had the same feeling as you, so don't think you are alone on this.

It is a theatre and I wish I could understand why Drs with reputation would play along.

I know people who have had the virus, and they have recovered, but none in three days, and the first few days they felt they were going to die. This 74 year old fat man who eats garbage all day, no matter what kind of medications he is given, he would be on ventilators today. But we shall see what happens in the next few days.

[Auggie]

24. I posted the same thing ...

speculating that his trip to Walter Reed was actually an ESCAPE from an infected White House while additional staff could be tested AND a narrative be conceived.

[Wicked Blue]

26. That's an interesting idea

I wonder if we will ever learn the truth

[CTyankee]

18. He really is crazy if he thinks its that simple. People are wearing masks despite what he says.

[hvn_nbr_2]

23. Thank you.

He's definitely lying in some way because what they've told us just doesn't add up. Also, he's definitely lying because he always lies and can't help himself.

[rainin]

15. It's interesting he is considering the possibility that tRump is flat out lying about being sick

I don't know if he is or he isn't. Maybe he is mildly ill, but not actually with COVID, but he couldn't go to the hospital for pneumonia or something else. He could have calculated that after Hope was diagnosed with COVID, he could stage a spectacular stunt that stopped all the coverage about his taxes instantly. It worked.

We simply can't believe anything he says. We have to be ready for anything and just stay the course.

[CTyankee]

16. Nothing agianst Kirchner but for this to be possible, a LOT of people would have to be in on the

con AND keep their mouths shut. I just wonder how you can arrange all of that and for what? What is the motive? How does it serve anybody's purpose except Trump's? And when it is found out, the fallout would be immense. And sooner or later, it would be discovered.

I'm just not convinced.

[Escurumbele]

22. That is one of the bigger questions in this administration, how can so many people play along?

A lot of people in the administration have played along for a lot of things, so what is another theatre play? Why not be an actor in another play?

It is a cult...Didn't Jim Jones kill a lot of people who knew that if they drunk the cool-aid they would die? They knew, and they still followed. These things happen.

[Mira]

30. Neither am I convinced. BUT...

in my observation he is the boss of these army doctors at Walter Reed, and there is no question they were lying - and naturally told had to lie. They would have no natural inclination to stand there like sockpuppets and obviously prevaricate. So they could be lying efor either scenario.
I trust nothing and no one except my Dad and Mom and they are dead.

I also find it interesting that nobody seems to care about Melanoma.
Which includes me.

[CTyankee]

31. Because the doctors made the story sound better, I don't see where they made stuff up.

[stuffmatters]

17. I've tended to share Kirschner skeptism. Trump's CV10 so conveniently changed the MSM from

revelations about his taxes, charity, unredacted Mueller report, 200,000 plus CV-19 negligent homicides,stand by & stand down,and certainly Biden Harris campaign. Whatever the truth, no President should be allowed to remain in charge while taking steroids.

[rgbecker]

29. He knocked the tax return story and follow up off the NYTimes front page.

And he did this the last time the times wrote a big piece about Trump's finances...I can't remember now when that was or what the event was that drove the story of his 2 million dollars at 5 years of age and the bad business decisions that drove him into bankruptcy. But at that time it seemed so obvious that the event was to remove the talk from the public square.

[stuffmatters]

33. Yes. Everything about this - his Putinesque he man quick recovery, his jumpy dr's evasions/secrecy

using it to make the debate go virtual so there's a Trumpy reason("they can cut off my mike&quot to back out. Yeah, this whole episode sure smells fishy.

[bucolic_frolic]

19. Yes it does seem like a giant faked illness

they were onto it so fast, such a great outcome. If it's too good to be true ... it usually is.

[Mr. Ected]

20. Naw, he's sick and he infected countless others

He simply weaponized his illness and defined it the way he wanted, ostensibly to control the CV narrative. He can hide from the people, save a few scripted reality TV appearances, while he enjoys the best medical care and attention of any man on the planet. He can elucidate his points on Twitter with nary a cough being heard. He can pretend to be one thing while in reality he may be suffering.

It's my hope that pretend and reality collide in shocking Technicolor for billions of us to see. A fitting postscript to the first fictional President.

[Auggie]

25. He could have gone to Walter Reed for another procedure and used sars-cov-2 as a cover

[Mr. Ected]

27. Of course he could have. And the dozens of other CV-infected compatriots

Were simply coincidental. Could be. But Occum's Razor counsels otherwise.

[CTyankee]

32. I was thinking right along those lines myself. But now all these people around him are getting sick

so they story is getting worse real fast.

[LisaL]

28. Nearly everybody around him is testing positive.

And people are going to argue he is faking it? Are all the others faking it too? Nonsense.