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Related: About this forumOhio governor Mike DeWine battles with CNN host Jake Tapper over election security issues
SharonClark
(10,497 posts)by the repugs and Trump?
LiberalLovinLug
(14,685 posts)Tapper: But this isnt about actual allegations of legitimate fraud. This is about fomenting lies to undermine democracy. Its very different.
DeWine: Jake, you can make that point, but I Ill go back to my point, I think its valid as well.
Kind of got caught in a Freudian slip, or whatever you'd call it. So he admits Jake CAN make that point (that it is about undermining democracy). And further says it is valid. (as he says his is)
pat_k
(13,371 posts). . . from Stephanie Tubbs Jones and Barbara Boxer is flat wrong.
That objection to the unlawfully conducted Ohio election, and the electors appointed pursuant to it was a moral imperative and the Democrats who condemned it were flat wrong.
Back in 2000, Justice Breyer reminded members of Congress what their duty was in his dissent to Bush v. Gore (i.e., that SCOTUS action rendered FL election incomplete and therefore unlawful and it was up to Congress to judge the electors appointed pursuant to it. SCOTUS had no place in the process.)
Congress failed in it's duty 1/6/2001. On 1/6/2005, at least those to brave members took a stand for us. There are certain actions that must be made on conscience, win or lose. That was one of them.
(And in 2005, there were MANY DU'ers in DC lobbying for them to stand up.)
The electoral college does need to be abolished, but there is one critical purpose count of the electors under the electoral count serves: It provides a back stop against state elections that have actually been conducted unlawfully. If Congress had fulfilled it's duty to defend our most basic right in 2001, we would not be where we are today.
usaf-vet
(7,811 posts)if it doesn't come out in "favor of the republican mindset it will get ignored and buried. Look at the Mueller report. IGNORED and BURIED.
MAKE ANY FORM OF VOTER SUPPRESSION A MANDATED JAILABLE OFFENSE AND GO TO PAPER BALLOTS.
It has now been 62 days since election day 2020. And the country is still arguing about the outcome.
WE CAN GO BACK TO PAPER BALLOTS AND DECIDE THE ELECTION IN LESS THAN 62 DAYS. WITH AN AUDIBLE PAPER TRAIL.