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Related: About this forumRachel Maddow Speaks To Vaccine Fear, Weighing Risk, Makes The Case That the Vaccine Is Not For You
qazplm135
(7,447 posts)the people with the mentality of do it for others, are not the folks who need to be convinced to get the vaccine.
ancianita
(35,925 posts)these things.
As I watched, I realize that she chose to go beyond preaching to the choir this time.
She seemed to take the commonly used side of 'speaking from experience' with anyone who has thought of themselves as being doubting and rational like her, slowly taking them to the point of realizing that this act can also be like a thoughtful life strategy they've already used with other decisions, as well.
qazplm135
(7,447 posts)I'm not so much. The people amenable to her arguments don't really need convincing.
ancianita
(35,925 posts)changed one mind to get the vaccine, who knows how many others that one health decision would have helped. Covid spreads. Across hundreds for every one contact with ten.
So yeah, I'm for optimism and her trying to get people to change, even if they do the right thing for the wrong reason, like 'everybody's doing it and okay, so I guess I will.'
qazplm135
(7,447 posts)on the rule of the majority. This is about the vaccine, and herd immunity, not democracy. 51 percent won't cut it for the latter. Neither will appealing to the better angels of Trumpers.
Know your audience is the first rule of persuasion.
ancianita
(35,925 posts)so if you don't think this vaccine talk is about democracy, tell it to Joe Biden.
As of yesterday, 20.5%, 68,202,458 Americans had been fully vaccinated. Not bad in under 100 days, but no herd immunity until June unless enough get shots.
As for the audience, this is also about TRMS being #1 on all of cable, not just cable news, because its viewership grew. You're saying that she doesn't know her audience -- no one here but you is saying that they're Trumpers -- yet given their market research, Maddow and MSNBC know the growing viewership better than we do.
it depends on enough people believing basic science over conspiracy theories and/or having the empathy for others to do things they don't want to for the good of the whole. Those folks don't care about Joe Biden. Or Rachel Maddow.
The RMS, really any cable news show, at its peak, has about 3 million viewers.
Arkansas Granny
(31,505 posts)soothsayer
(38,601 posts)ancianita
(35,925 posts)imo, she's trying to get people to care about themselves as not just fearless, smarter or better, but as a positive force for family, friends they don't want to lose.
soothsayer
(38,601 posts)But its good to try
mucifer
(23,466 posts)die from covid more than 2 weeks post vaccine. It's just verrrrrrrrry unlikely.
From the Chicago Tribune:
While tragic, the fatalities statistically are rare, compared with the 2.5 million people fully vaccinated in the state.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/coronavirus/vaccine/ct-prem-covid-surge-vaccination-chicago-20210409-cq2qlvlvcna5vgls65dwx5h3sm-story.html
She just needs to be honest. She shouldn't say you won't die from covid 19 if you are vaccinated. She should say it's EXTREMELY unlikely.
soothsayer
(38,601 posts)Were still early days
ancianita
(35,925 posts)is better than over half a million dead, for any reason.
iluvtennis
(19,821 posts)Wild blueberry
(6,611 posts)Her last point: there are two paths, one with zero deaths (vaccines) and one with over 560,000 deaths. Which will you take?
ancianita
(35,925 posts)Last edited Sat Apr 10, 2021, 07:54 PM - Edit history (1)
mucifer
(23,466 posts)ancianita
(35,925 posts)Why are you so fixated on perfection of the zero path unless she's 99% right.
What's the good of that, anyway.
mucifer
(23,466 posts)was lucky to get the the vaccine at the end of December because I am a nurse. I am VERY pro vaccine.
It's not 100% effective. But, it's AMAZING and saving a lot of lives and we should say that because it's true.
ancianita
(35,925 posts)deciding that in the end, it wasn't about her and her past experience. So, as honest as the science and consumers can describe the vaccine, given that no vaccine is 100% in immunizing against microbes (even polio requires more than one dose), she was honest, imo.
LetMyPeopleVote
(144,872 posts)Evolve Dammit
(16,689 posts)Upthevibe
(8,004 posts)Thank you for the post.
I thought Rachel was great last night.
ancianita
(35,925 posts)Thank you back.