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Mon May 17, 2021, 02:36 AM

Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (HBO) - Stand Your Ground



John Oliver takes a look at why “stand your ground” laws were created, who they protect, and, crucially, who they don’t.


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Response to Rhiannon12866 (Original post)

Mon May 17, 2021, 07:21 AM

1. Love this one! Thanks John

And Rhiannon!

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Response to Rhiannon12866 (Original post)

Mon May 17, 2021, 09:24 AM

2. Rhiannon12866...

Excellent!

Thanks for posting

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Response to Upthevibe (Reply #2)

Mon May 17, 2021, 10:41 PM

9. Thanks! As usual, it's obvious that John Oliver and staff really did their research on this one!

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Response to Rhiannon12866 (Original post)

Mon May 17, 2021, 10:29 AM

3. I think a lot of these people who over arm themselves and carry assault weapons

have, in the back of their minds some fantasy of being able to kill a person, preferably a minority at some point - where they can say they were justified. These people just have a desire for violence that they have to keep under wraps.......but they secretly want to be violent and are just waiting for the right circumstance.

That guy Horn wanted to kill those men. And the people that clapped for him were glad that he killed them, obviously. It is the same as the ones who go to an execution and sit in the parking lot and cheer after it happens.

They are sick in the head.

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Response to Maraya1969 (Reply #3)

Mon May 17, 2021, 11:00 AM

5. And the largest problem with the people you speak of......

Is that they are overwhelmingly NRA Qpublicans who believe in the rule of law as they see it...

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Response to Maraya1969 (Reply #3)

Mon May 17, 2021, 11:42 AM

6. Notice how the guy who introduced horn said "they came at you"

when horn actually shot them in the back according to Olivers reporting.

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Response to Rhiannon12866 (Original post)

Mon May 17, 2021, 10:52 AM

4. Damn, that Joe Horn got away with murder for "Standing his neighbor's ground"

States need to be looking at all NRA inspired laws.

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Response to Rhiannon12866 (Original post)

Mon May 17, 2021, 11:45 AM

7. Great segment but I wish he would have addressed domestic violence

Women who shoot their domestic partners and claim self defense. From what I've read they usually are convicted.

Maybe that's a whole other show.

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Response to Merlot (Reply #7)

Mon May 17, 2021, 07:31 PM

8. There is a difference between

"stand your ground," and "self-help." When an abused domestic partner resorts to self-help in order to rid themselves of the abusive partner, they are usually in violation of the law and a crime is committed.

The legal system places varying degrees of limitation on self-help, and laws vary widely among different jurisdictions. Often, self-help will be allowed as long as no law is broken, and no breach of the peace occurs (or is likely to occur). Also, the usual limit on liability for actions of an agent will not apply; if one uses an agent such as an independent contractor to perform the self-help action, the principal will be held strictly liable if anything goes wrong.

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n a looser sense, it can also refer to individuals taking the law into their own hands, usually through violence or other illegal behavior. It can lead to factions forming around the disputing parties and also to broad civil conflict.

Historically, self-help has been regarded as the recourse for injured parties when no courts are available that will accept jurisdiction. The dangers of self-help are often advanced as an argument against allowing a situation to develop in which people feel they have no judicial path to a remedy, or that the courts are too corrupt to render just decisions, and as the main reason why impartial courts are established in the first place.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-help_(law)


Under most "Stand Your Ground" laws, the right to self defense is invoked by a "perceived" threat of harm which is often the subjective one-sided perspective of the survivor.

Edited to add: the link takes you to a different page. Add "_(law)" to the end of the link in the address box to get the correct page.

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Response to billh58 (Reply #8)

Tue May 18, 2021, 02:01 AM

10. I'm not seeing the difference but the law does.

Under most "Stand Your Ground" laws, the right to self defense is invoked by a "perceived" threat of harm which is often the subjective one-sided perspective of the survivor.

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