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My lobotomy (Howard Dully) (Original Post) struggle4progress Aug 2021 OP
Good God! Haggard Celine Aug 2021 #1
Wow, listened to that, but can't imagine the Dr's thinking. OAITW r.2.0 Aug 2021 #2
Walter Jackson Freeman II, Frontal Lobotomy appalachiablue Aug 2021 #3
Another Freeman/Watts' victim: Rosemary Kennedy no_hypocrisy Aug 2021 #4
Another horrible, inhumane tragedy I know - appalachiablue Aug 2021 #5
they haven't changed. These days they use poisonous chemicals instead. magicguido Aug 2021 #6

Haggard Celine

(16,858 posts)
1. Good God!
Tue Aug 31, 2021, 12:26 AM
Aug 2021

Freeman was a monster, but so was Dully's dad. Anyone who would allow that to happen to their child -- it's just unspeakable. Some psychiatric drug effects can mimic a lobotomy, but a person can always get off of the drugs. A lobotomy is forever.

OAITW r.2.0

(24,641 posts)
2. Wow, listened to that, but can't imagine the Dr's thinking.
Tue Aug 31, 2021, 12:48 AM
Aug 2021

And where was the rest of the medical institution on this procedure?

appalachiablue

(41,177 posts)
3. Walter Jackson Freeman II, Frontal Lobotomy
Tue Aug 31, 2021, 12:50 AM
Aug 2021

- Wiki, Walter Jackson Freeman II: ..Upon his arrival in Washington, Freeman began work directing laboratories at St. Elizabeths Hospital. Working at the hospital and witnessing the pain and distress suffered by the patients encouraged him to continue his education in the field. Freeman earned his PhD in neuropathology within the following few years and secured a position at George Washington University in Washington, D.C., as head of the neurology department.. The first systematic attempt at human psychosurgery – performed in the 1880s–1890s – is commonly attributed to the Swiss psychiatrist Gottlieb Burckhardt. Burckhardt's experimental surgical forays were largely condemned at the time and in the subsequent decades psychosurgery was attempted only intermittently.

On Nov. 12, 1935, a new psychosurgery procedure was performed in Portugal under the direction of the neurologist and physician Egas Moniz. His new "leucotomy" procedure, intended to treat mental illness, took small corings of the patient's frontal lobes. Freeman's procedure severed the patient's frontal lobes. Moniz became a mentor and idol for Freeman who modified the procedure and renamed it the "lobotomy". Instead of taking corings from the frontal lobes, Freeman's procedure severed the connection between the frontal lobes and the thalamus.

Because Walter Freeman was a neurologist and not a neurosurgeon, he enlisted the help of neurosurgeon James Watts. One year after the first leucotomy, on September 14, 1936, Freeman directed Watts through the very first prefrontal lobotomy in the U.S. on housewife Alice Hood Hammatt of Topeka, Kansas. By November, only two months after performing their first lobotomy surgery, Freeman and Watts had already worked on 20 cases including several follow-up operations. By 1942, the duo had performed over 200 lobotomy procedures and had published results claiming 63% of patients had improved, 24% were reported to be unchanged and 14% were worse after surgery.

After almost ten years of performing lobotomies, Freeman heard of a doctor in Italy named Amarro Fiamberti who operated on the brain through his patients' eye sockets, allowing him to access the brain without drilling through the skull. The procedure became known as the "icepick" lobotomy and was performed by inserting a metal pick into the corner of each eye-socket, hammering it through the thin bone there with a mallet, and moving it back and forth, severing the connections to the prefrontal cortex in the frontal lobes of the brain. He performed the transorbital lobotomy surgery for the first time in Wash., D.C. on a housewife named Sallie Ellen Ionesco. This transorbital lobotomy method did not require a neurosurgeon and could be performed outside of an operating room without the use of anesthesia by using electroconvulsive therapy to induce seizure. The modifications to his lobotomy allowed Freeman to broaden the use of the surgery.. In 1950, Walter Freeman's long-time partner James Watts left their practice and split from Freeman due to his opposition to the cruelty and overuse of the transorbital lobotomy...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Jackson_Freeman_II

no_hypocrisy

(46,202 posts)
4. Another Freeman/Watts' victim: Rosemary Kennedy
Tue Aug 31, 2021, 06:21 AM
Aug 2021
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosemary_Kennedy

Lobotomy
According to Eunice Kennedy Shriver, when Rosemary returned to the United States from the United Kingdom in 1940, she regressed; Shriver later stated that Rosemary became "'increasingly irritable and difficult'" at age 22.[8] Rosemary would often experience convulsions[15] and fly into violent rages in which she would hit and injure others[5] during this period. After being expelled from a summer camp in western Massachusetts and staying only a few months at a Philadelphia boarding school, Rosemary was sent to a convent school in Washington, D.C.[5] Rosemary began sneaking out of the convent school at night.[16] The nuns at the convent thought that Rosemary might be involved with sexual partners, and that she could contract a sexually transmitted disease[6] or become pregnant.[17] Her occasionally erratic behavior frustrated her parents; her father was especially worried that Rosemary's behavior would shame and embarrass the family and damage his and his children's political careers.[18][5]

When Rosemary was 23 years of age, doctors told her father that a form of psychosurgery known as a lobotomy would help calm her mood swings and stop her occasional violent outbursts.[19][20] Joseph Kennedy decided that Rosemary should have a lobotomy; however, he did not inform his wife of this decision until after the procedure was completed.[18][21] The procedure took place in November 1941.[4][22] In Sins of the Father, a biography of Joseph Kennedy, James W. Watts, who carried out the procedure with Walter Freeman (both of George Washington University School of Medicine), described the procedure to author Ronald Kessler as follows:

After Rosemary was mildly sedated, "We went through the top of the head," Dr. Watts recalled. "I think she was awake. She had a mild tranquilizer. I made a surgical incision in the brain through the skull. It was near the front. It was on both sides. We just made a small incision, no more than an inch." The instrument Dr. Watts used looked like a butter knife. He swung it up and down to cut brain tissue. "We put an instrument inside", he said. As Dr. Watts cut, Dr. Freeman asked Rosemary some questions. For example, he asked her to recite the Lord's Prayer or sing "God Bless America" or count backward... "We made an estimate on how far to cut based on how she responded." When Rosemary began to become incoherent, they stopped.[23]

Dr. Watts told Kessler that in his opinion, Rosemary had suffered not from mental retardation but rather from a form of depression. A review of all of the papers written by the two doctors confirmed Dr. Watts' declaration. All of the patients the two doctors lobotomized were diagnosed as having some form of mental disorder.[24] Dr. Bertram S. Brown, director of the National Institute of Mental Health who was previously an aide to President Kennedy, told Kessler that Joe Kennedy referred to his daughter Rosemary as mentally retarded rather than mentally ill in order to protect John's reputation for a presidential run, and that the family's "lack of support for mental illness is part of a lifelong family denial of what was really so".[25]

It quickly became apparent that the procedure had not been successful. Kennedy's mental capacity diminished to that of a two-year-old child. She could not walk or speak intelligibly and was incontinent.[26]
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