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Former Clinton Campaign Lawyer Indicted For Allegedly Lying To The FBI (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Sep 2021 OP
My wingnut BiL sent me something yesterday Turbineguy Sep 2021 #1
DOJ indictment against Sussmann is fatally flawed LetMyPeopleVote Sep 2021 #2
All the evidence was in Hill's emails, or under Vince's body, by White Water. StClone Sep 2021 #3
What about the basement of the pizza restaurant? LetMyPeopleVote Sep 2021 #4

Turbineguy

(37,317 posts)
1. My wingnut BiL sent me something yesterday
Mon Sep 20, 2021, 02:33 PM
Sep 2021

It's big news in wingnut land. Finally something going the other way.

Maybe.

Maybe the plan is to hoist Durham on his own petard?

LetMyPeopleVote

(145,129 posts)
2. DOJ indictment against Sussmann is fatally flawed
Mon Sep 20, 2021, 02:34 PM
Sep 2021

This indictment is so weak that it is sad




Special Counsel John Durham was tasked with investigating the origins of the FBI’s Russia investigation. He now appears to have ended his work not with a bang, but with a whimper.,,,

The case is equally weak on the merits. Although making false statements to an FBI agent is a serious crime, the government must be able to prove each and every element of the offense. Here, at least two of the five elements cannot be met.

First, Sussmann maintains that he did not make the statement. Many defendants deny misconduct, but this time it may work. In most false statement cases, the precise language of the statement at issue is memorialized in some way — the transcript of testimony under oath, a written submission, or a recorded oral statement. If not, the federal agency will usually provide two or more witnesses who personally heard the statement. Here, it appears that the whole case is built on the testimony of one witness, Baker. And in a he said, he said faceoff, the ties goes to the defendant.

In addition, it is not clear that Baker will be a strong — or even willing — witness. In a closed-door meeting with Congress in 2018, Baker testified that he did not recall whether Sussmann had represented himself as working on behalf of the Democratic Party or Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign. Hardly the star witness needed to convict in the absence of all other evidence.

The case is equally weak on the merits. Although making false statements to an FBI agent is a serious crime, the government must be able to prove each and every element of the offense. Here, at least two of the five elements cannot be met.

First, Sussmann maintains that he did not make the statement. Many defendants deny misconduct, but this time it may work. In most false statement cases, the precise language of the statement at issue is memorialized in some way — the transcript of testimony under oath, a written submission, or a recorded oral statement. If not, the federal agency will usually provide two or more witnesses who personally heard the statement. Here, it appears that the whole case is built on the testimony of one witness, Baker. And in a he said, he said faceoff, the ties goes to the defendant.

In addition, it is not clear that Baker will be a strong — or even willing — witness. In a closed-door meeting with Congress in 2018, Baker testified that he did not recall whether Sussmann had represented himself as working on behalf of the Democratic Party or Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign. Hardly the star witness needed to convict in the absence of all other evidence..

LetMyPeopleVote

(145,129 posts)
4. What about the basement of the pizza restaurant?
Mon Sep 20, 2021, 04:02 PM
Sep 2021

Just because there is basement at that location does not mean not mean that the evidence does not exist

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