Bernie Sanders' reaction to Joe Manchin's bombshell

[Donkees]

Dec 19, 2021

Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) reacts to Sen. Joe Manchin (D-WV) announcing he will vote no on President Joe Biden's Build Back Better plan.

[cilla4progress]

1. Manchin is a low-life.

No scruples.

Bernie is smart - vote on BBB now! Make Manchin vote no in front of everyone!

[usaf-vet]

2. He obviously DOESN'T care about anyone other than himself. Sound familiar. Both of them are only....

..... interested in enriching themselves. The rest of their rhetoric is just a smokescreen.

Manchin and Trump brothers from different mothers.

[magicguido]

4. People stood in the Pandemic Cold to VOTE; and Jackass Manchin took it all away

[YoshidaYui]

5. fuck you MANCHIN ,, you DON'T HAVE what it takes to be a decent

Democrat, you may as well just be a REPUBLICAN asshole.

[George II]

6. I wonder why Sanders didn't stay in Washington on Friday to negotiate with Senator Manchin?

[Celerity]

8. Ludicrous deflection, most of the rest of the Dem Senate, Sanders included, plus Biden etc etc

have been working on Manchin for ages, you cannot pin this disaster for the Party and the nation on anyone but Manchin (with Sinema playing a supporting role).

[George II]

9. Not a deflection. Sanders has touted himself as marshalling Biden's bill through the Senate....

Yet Manchin was still in Washington on Friday.

No one pinned it on anyone, but at a time like this it's "all hands on deck" to get this worked out, not a time to hold a rally with strikers whose union had already negotiated an agreement the day before.

[Celerity]

12. if I told you my neighbour here in Stockholm beat their dog, you would try to blame Sanders or AOC

[George II]

14. What reason did your neighbour give for beating his/her dog? Did he/she claim either of those....

....told him/her to do it?

[Celerity]

15. woosh............

[Autumn]

10. Did Bernie become the Senate majority whip and I missed it??????

You are really slipping George. But I know that had Bernie stayed in Washington on Friday to negotiate with Senator Manchin you and others would have accused him of usurping someone's job.

[George II]

11. It's a team effort, Autumn, and he's said a number of times that he's leading the effort...

...to get BBB negotiated and passed.

And now you're clairvoyant and know what I'll say before I say it?

Fact is he didn't so you'll never know what I might have said.

[Autumn]

13. It doesn't take a clairvoyant George.

The past is prologue.

[George II]

16. FYI, Autumn:

[Autumn]

17. FYI George. That's a statement put out by Bernie, he is not whipping votes.

Whipping is the name for deliberate pressure exerted on rank and file members by leadership, so that the member votes the way leadership wants.

[Autumn]

18. FYI George. On leadership

The current leaders are Senators Chuck Schumer (D) of New York and Mitch McConnell (R) of Kentucky. The current assistant leaders, or whips, are Senators Dick Durbin (D) of Illinois and John Thune (R) of South Dakota.

[George II]

20. The bill was advanced by the Senate Budget Committee, of which Sanders is Chairman.

[Autumn]

21. George. Yes Bernie is Chairman of the Senate Budget Committee.

As such Bernie in his Committe Chairman role does put forth select items for further consideration. The BBB was one such bill. Bills and resolutions are referred to committees.

" When considering a bill or resolution, committees typically follow this course: First, the committee asks relevant executive agencies for written comments on the measure. Second, it holds hearings to gather information and views from non-committee experts. At committee hearings, these witnesses summarize submitted statements and then respond to questions from the senators. Third, a committee meets to perfect the measure through amendments, which also allows non-committee members to influence the legislative language. Finally, when language is agreed upon, the committee sends the measure back to the full Senate for debate, usually along with a written report describing its purposes and provisions.

A committee’s influence may extend throughout the legislative process to the enactment of bills into law. A committee member, often the chair, will play an important role in managing the full Senate’s deliberation on the bill. Also, committee members will be appointed as conferees to reconcile the Senate version of a bill with the version passed by the House of Representatives."

Hope that clears up his role in advancing bills. But Jjust to be clear. Bernie is 100% correct. Make Manch vote on the bill. See if he has the guts to openly vote no.

[George II]

23. Now google what Sanders has said about his own role in advancing and promoting the bill, 'kay?

[Autumn]

24. Georeg, I assure you it has been no secret that Bernie has been all about advancing Bidens agenda

yes Bernie has promoted the BBB. I don't have to google. Bernie is very much a progressive who supports Bidens sgends.


'kay?

[George II]

25. Autunm, "How often the member votes in line with Biden's position" (i.e, "BIDEN SCORE") :

Manchin: 97.4% in a R+38.9 seat
Sanders: 92.1% in a D+35.4 seat

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/biden-congress-votes/

[Autumn]

26. George. You ignored what I said. There is a dfference between Bernie advancing an agenda

that is Bidens legacy and Manchin voting for, or not voting no for ambassadors , judges, etc.

I consider those numbers from 538 to be bullshit because they don't lay out what's behind them.
You posted:

The bill *was advanced by the Senate Budget Committee, of which Sanders is Chairman

* Build Back Better

Sanders calls for Senate Vote on Build Back Better

There is a big differnce between your thowaway vote numbers of Manchin and Bernie supporting the Presidents agenda. The difference being Manchin has tanked Bidens agenda. Bernie hasn't.

anyway. I'm bored now.

[lapucelle]

28. The bill needs to be finished frst. Finance Committee Chair Wyden released the most recent version

a week ago and last posted in his newsroom on December 13. There is still a placeholder for a major unwritten portion on page 750.

https://www.finance.senate.gov/chairmans-news

Meanwhile, the Chairman of the Senate Committee on the Budget hasn't updated his newsroom since August, has never issued a single committee report, and last held hearings in June.

https://www.budget.senate.gov/chairman/newsroom

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Just to be clear, there is no bill to be brought to the floor and voted on because at least one major portion of the bill remains unwritten. Every senator should know that.

Petitions and the posturing are easy. Legislating is hard work.

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https://www.finance.senate.gov/chairmans-news/finance-committee-releases-updated-build-back-better-text

[Autumn]

29. .

yawn.

[mjvpi]

19. Seriously? You're making this abut Senator Sanders?

The negotiations on this bill have been a one sided process. It has been reduced by almost a TRILLION dollars in an attempt to secure a couple of votes.

The "negotiations " have been going on for months! Manchin has to retreat to FOX to get the balls to sat no. After all of the assurances that Manchin gave to President Biden, you are putting this on Senator Sanders actions at the end of the session?

[Autumn]

22. This you can take to the bank, if Democrats lose their majority it will be

because... BERNIE!! AOC!!! PROGRESSIVES!! B MOVIE STARS!!! JILL STEIN!!! BERNIE!!!!!

[mjvpi]

27. Please read the White House statement. That shows you who to blame.

Pardon me, but the progressive knock on corporate Democrats is that they vote money interests over people interests.

Whoops, I just saw Bernie’s picture by your post. I’m so keyed up I can’t tell when someone’s agreeing with me. Sorry. This issue can get real strange real fast at Democratic Underground.

[TexasTowelie]

30. Well Bernie is taking it to the bank.

There is already an email from Bernie asking for more donations. That didn't take long.

Tell the Senate: Vote on the Build Back Better Act as soon as possible

Sign Bernie's petition if you agree the United States Senate must vote on the Build Back Better Act as soon as they return from recess. If Joe Manchin wants to vote NO, then let him explain to the working families of West Virginia and America why.

Sign the petition

FIRST NAME
EMAIL ADDRESS*
ZIP CODE*

Do you agree that the Senate must vote on the Build Back Better Act as soon as possible?

Yes
No

Do you understand that almost every Democrat in the House and Senate is on board, and that one member – Senator Joe Manchin – stands in the way?

Yes
No

We need leaders who will fight for working people, not the billionaires. Can you add a donation to stand with Bernie in creating a government that works for ALL of us?

Yes, I will chip in $2.70
Yes, I will chip in $27
Yes, I will chip in more!

BTW, when is the last time that you saw a petition is being circulated and they only asked for the first name of the signatory?

[Autumn]

31. .

yawn

[Autumn]

33. .

Yawn

[Autumn]

35. .

Yawn.

[Autumn]

37. Interesting I just donated $27 to Bernie at his web site. I had to give my first and last name

when I donated. The link is after you answer some questions. Nothing nefarious about it. I guess you could call someone with your question.

[CentralMass]

7. K&R

[Hiawatha Pete]

36. K&R