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(1,096 posts)whose heart might not actually be in this action.
COL Mustard
(5,897 posts)Doesn't want to be there, just probably wants to go home.
I'm not sure about the legalities of videoing him and questioning him, by the way. Geneva Conventions and all that, assuming the Russians are abiding by them.
notinkansas
(1,096 posts)how many of the invading army would really rather not be there. Would be great if they would decide to just walk away.
COL Mustard
(5,897 posts)It's a pretty harsh Army and military justice can be pretty arbitrary. But they may not be wholehearted in the performance of their duties.
Chainfire
(17,530 posts)It could leave a man singing soprano, but not for too long.
modrepub
(3,494 posts)For all people, military and civilian.
Chainfire
(17,530 posts)Of course, the Russians got the final word and deed in that one. The Russians are probably pretty confident that, with the Democracies so weakened, they can make it to Berlin again. Once in Berlin, Paris would be a walk-in.
Justice matters.
(6,925 posts)No way putin would succeed at that.
Chainfire
(17,530 posts)They French had more and better tanks, more and better artillery, and more troops. Half of their border was unassailable with the weapons of the day, and yet the Germans defeated them in a matter of weeks. It was a failure of leadership. It was making the error of them preparing for what they thought that the enemy would do, not what he was capable of doing. It wasn't like they didn't have time to prepare between Poland and the invasion of France.
What do you think has changed in France in the last 80 years, that would lead you to believe that If Russia defeated Germany (which was my original proposition) that France would continue the fight and be willing to be incinerated after beginning a nuclear war with Russia? I think, given the parameters that I laid out, the the French would be throwing flowers at the feet of the invading Russian tanks instead of atoms. Otherwise, they would be massing troops with their Western European allies to face Putin today with conventional weapons. If Putin succeeds, in his current endeavor, it will be the beginning, not the end.
We never learn from out mistakes and it will be the end of our species.
Justice matters.
(6,925 posts)France tested its first nuclear weapon in 1960 and is one of five nuclear weapons states recognized under the NPT.
It currently possesses the world's fourth largest nuclear stockpile, deliverable by submarine and air-launched cruise missiles.
That's why putin parading under the Arc de triomphe will never happen, unless he wants to kill himself in a nuclear winter.
Chainfire
(17,530 posts)I still contend that the French would not use nuclear weapons, even in a last ditch self defense posture. Not only that, but I hope no one else will either. Putin is using modernized WWII weapons and tactics and I don't think that,if he were pushed back to the Russian border with the same, that he would initiate a thermonuclear war either. The Oligarch would have his head for threating to take everything from them, and nuclear war takes everything from everybody.
MAD is a real thing, nobody wins a nuclear war and everybody knows it.
We have invested uncounted billions of dollars in NATO over the years. We did that with the intention of meeting the Russians head-on if they decided to break bad. Well, they have just broke bad and it appears that all that money was pissed away. Putin is a bully writ large and the only thing that will stop a bully is an ass-whipping or a "heart attack." He desperately needs one or the other or we will never have peace again.
Justice matters.
(6,925 posts)The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognised by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.
https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natolive/official_texts_17120.htm
Don't even think putin will even just try to attack any NATO country.
mysteryowl
(7,376 posts)Effete Snob
(8,387 posts)https://www.theguardian.com/media/2003/mar/28/broadcasting.Iraqandthemedia2
The defence secretary, Geoff Hoon, yesterday condemned the parading of coalition prisoners of war on Iraqi television and the broadcast of film showing two dead British servicemen as "a flagrant and sickening breach of the Geneva convention". But article 13 does not seem to cover the bodies of soldiers killed in battle, since they are not prisoners of war.
Malcolm Shaw QC, professor of international law at Leicester University, said the article which says prisoners must be protected against insults and public curiosity had been understood to mean that states should not allow them to be shown publicly "in humiliating or insulting circumstances".