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BeckyDem

(8,361 posts)
Sun Feb 27, 2022, 12:41 PM Feb 2022

Can anything stop Russia's invasion of Ukraine?

International diplomatic response criticized as ‘weak’ and ‘ineffective’.

Russia’s invasion of Ukraine is the biggest threat to peace in Europe since World War II.

But the international response so far has largely been limited to sanctions and condemnation.

At the United Nations Security Council, permanent member Russia used its veto to block a move against the invasion.

The United States and European Union are preparing sanctions directly targeting Russia’s President Vladimir Putin and Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov – on top of measures against Russian businesses and oligarchs.

Former President Dmitry Medvedev responded by saying Moscow does not really need diplomatic ties with the West.

So can anything be done to return to diplomacy?

Presenter: Mohammed Jamjoom

( Video at link. )
https://www.aljazeera.com/program/inside-story/2022/2/26/can-anything-stop-russias-invasion-of-ukraine

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Can anything stop Russia's invasion of Ukraine? (Original Post) BeckyDem Feb 2022 OP
A lot of people and the media seem to think that there was something that the West could have done.. Thomas Hurt Feb 2022 #1
I posted this in response to Zelenskyy's plea that not enough is being done. BeckyDem Feb 2022 #4
Logistics still take time...Sanctions take time to become fully effective. Thomas Hurt Feb 2022 #5
But I am sure you can sympathize with his very human pleas. BeckyDem Feb 2022 #7
of course, I imagine that Zelensky understands as well and is making those pleas to move things... Thomas Hurt Feb 2022 #8
Yes. His family is one with young children under great threat. BeckyDem Feb 2022 #10
You can leave that to the GOP and trumpers they will take care of the criticizing. Thomas Hurt Feb 2022 #12
I don't leave anything to them, the complex approaches that can reason this out BeckyDem Feb 2022 #15
Never said it was, never meant to give the impression that your comment was criticism either. Thomas Hurt Feb 2022 #18
+1 BeckyDem Feb 2022 #19
This is silly. The internal diplomatic response has been criticized as weak and ineffective by whom? Scrivener7 Feb 2022 #2
Silly to look at other opinions that also recognize the grave dangers of Putin? BeckyDem Feb 2022 #9
Silly to characterize the steps already taken as weak and ineffective. Scrivener7 Feb 2022 #11
The same day Michael Bociurkiw was interviewed. BeckyDem Feb 2022 #13
Not sure why you seem angered, but OK. Bye. Scrivener7 Feb 2022 #14
According to Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson, gab13by13 Feb 2022 #3
How old is this? Yesterday EU agreed sanctions on SWIFT, this will crush the economy PortTack Feb 2022 #6
I agree. I think, though, that the US should add closing our airspace to Russia. Scrivener7 Feb 2022 #16
I think that may come. President Biden is measured, doesn't want to escalate like pootie is PortTack Feb 2022 #17

Thomas Hurt

(13,903 posts)
1. A lot of people and the media seem to think that there was something that the West could have done..
Sun Feb 27, 2022, 12:46 PM
Feb 2022

to make this go away in a day. There isn't, well, other than Zelensky capitulating and fleeing the country, turning it over to Putin.

BeckyDem

(8,361 posts)
4. I posted this in response to Zelenskyy's plea that not enough is being done.
Sun Feb 27, 2022, 12:54 PM
Feb 2022

He is featured in the video. I would agree the issues with Putin go back a long way and it is fair to review the past. This has been brewing for some time...long before Biden became president.

BeckyDem

(8,361 posts)
7. But I am sure you can sympathize with his very human pleas.
Sun Feb 27, 2022, 01:05 PM
Feb 2022

That Putin placed the cause of his aggression in his insane speech, was quite frightening. I understand his pleas as a result.

Thomas Hurt

(13,903 posts)
8. of course, I imagine that Zelensky understands as well and is making those pleas to move things...
Sun Feb 27, 2022, 01:20 PM
Feb 2022

along as fast as possible. New EU sanctions...

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216410181

BeckyDem

(8,361 posts)
10. Yes. His family is one with young children under great threat.
Sun Feb 27, 2022, 01:22 PM
Feb 2022

Criticism should not be viewed as everything that has been done thus far is wrong.

Thomas Hurt

(13,903 posts)
12. You can leave that to the GOP and trumpers they will take care of the criticizing.
Sun Feb 27, 2022, 01:31 PM
Feb 2022

Most people wish we could do more, I just think we are doing all we can at this time. Things change, we may have to adjust our response when those changes occur.

BeckyDem

(8,361 posts)
15. I don't leave anything to them, the complex approaches that can reason this out
Sun Feb 27, 2022, 01:36 PM
Feb 2022

will never come from any Republican, not just the crazy Trumpers.

This video was not about that on any level.

Scrivener7

(51,012 posts)
2. This is silly. The internal diplomatic response has been criticized as weak and ineffective by whom?
Sun Feb 27, 2022, 12:52 PM
Feb 2022

(Other than the GQP, I mean?)

The sanctions are more than enough to cripple their tiny economy. The worldwide condemnation is turning the Russian people vocal in their denouncement of Putin.

Russia has nukes. That is their only strength. Their people are fed up, the world has turned against them, the oligarchs are not going to stand by to watch their fortunes evaporate.

Moscow may not need diplomatic ties to the west, but the oligarchs certainly do, and their baby economy certainly needs the markets in the west for their oil, their only real wealth-generating resource.

Just because Russian officials say it, doesn't mean it's true. More often the opposite.

BeckyDem

(8,361 posts)
9. Silly to look at other opinions that also recognize the grave dangers of Putin?
Sun Feb 27, 2022, 01:20 PM
Feb 2022

I don't think so. It's ok to consider different means in addition to what is being done.


Scrivener7

(51,012 posts)
11. Silly to characterize the steps already taken as weak and ineffective.
Sun Feb 27, 2022, 01:24 PM
Feb 2022

And the tweet you link as an example of different and additional means describes an action that is already being implemented.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216410261

gab13by13

(21,405 posts)
3. According to Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson,
Sun Feb 27, 2022, 12:53 PM
Feb 2022

there is something that will end the invasion, Time. Putler cannot win this war because the Ukrainian military and the citizens did not surrender, never will. Putler cannot keep an army in Ukraine, sooner or later the Russian army will have to leave.

Putler can bomb the hell out of the cities, but he still won't win the war.

PortTack

(32,793 posts)
6. How old is this? Yesterday EU agreed sanctions on SWIFT, this will crush the economy
Sun Feb 27, 2022, 12:59 PM
Feb 2022

Donations poor in for refugees, the military
Germany is now sending weapons
President Biden is sending $350 mil more in aide and looks to increase that as days go by. Other countries are sending humanitarian and military aide
the EU has closed off airspace to Russia
The UKR military has handed out military style rifles to 20k civilians.
A Kyiv beer factory now makes Molotov cocktails by the thousands
Thousands of Military veterans from around the world answer President Zelensky’s call for help and head to Ukraine to fight
Ukraine has retaken the city of Kharkiv
Elon Musk provides starlink satellites to Ukraine so if the Internet is taken down by Russian troops the Ukrainians will continue to have Internet..vital to the fighting forces

May god..this is not nothing

Scrivener7

(51,012 posts)
16. I agree. I think, though, that the US should add closing our airspace to Russia.
Sun Feb 27, 2022, 01:42 PM
Feb 2022

Also, that $350 million is quoted often, but it's a little misleading. It seems paltry, given the situation, but it is part of a billion dollar aid package that has been given to Ukraine recently.

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