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in2herbs

(4,382 posts)
1. If I'm right this is part of Gosar's district. Haven't heard a peep out of him about this.
Fri May 13, 2022, 07:50 PM
May 2022

Too busy being an insurrectionist, I guess.

bello

(140 posts)
6. The "Are you a socialist" test?
Fri May 13, 2022, 08:42 PM
May 2022

Is your house on city water and sewer? If so, you are a socialist.

If you can’t take a shit without using society’s infrastructure, you’re
a socialist.

Warpy

(114,595 posts)
7. Water lines need to be replaced if they're old lead lines and leaking
Fri May 13, 2022, 08:59 PM
May 2022

and that is an expensive proposition that involves digging up streets and then repaving them. Even then, the savings wouldn't allow those developer areas to be developed. The west is running out of water in a lot of places and a lot of people are going to have to come to terms with that. The guy who's talking about having water trucked in might have a chance. The nice lady in the cabin, no.

Arizona is going to be in particularly bad shape, there's already a lot of cracking from subsidence as groundwater has been pumped dry for agriculture and suburbs. Add to that the misery of brownouts during their raging hot summers because the big dams to the north aren't able to generate as much electricity.

If the drought goes on much longer, there will start to be internally displaced people in the US and I haven't seen any sign they've been thinking of that in DC as anything but a police problem.

plimsoll

(1,690 posts)
9. I think at lest some portion of the homeless in the Seattle area are internally displaced people.
Fri May 13, 2022, 10:43 PM
May 2022

It's economic displacement true, but they're no less internal refugees.
There is an area along I5 that has homeless encampment (until the police come and roust them out again.) Going by there on a bike is probably one of the most depressing things you can do. The drought will just make this worse.

Warpy

(114,595 posts)
10. You can say that about most homeless people all over the country
Fri May 13, 2022, 10:53 PM
May 2022

Before Reagan got in, the only homeless people I ever saw were street alcoholics living rough Neighborhood winos had places to live, not fancy but a roof and a lock on the door. Once Reagan got in, it wasn't just the winos who got pitched out onto the street, but whole families because wages had dropped so far behind inflation in the late 70s and Congress hadn't done a fucking thing about it. They'd bought the rich man's horse shit that wages caused inflation, rather than being a lagging indicator of it.

So here we are, the problem of homeless families with children in tow getting worse every year and Congress still won't do a fucking thing about it.You bet your ass they're internally displaced people, displaced by cupidity, stupidity, and a lack of political will.

plimsoll

(1,690 posts)
14. I only have Puget Sound as an observation point.
Sat May 14, 2022, 09:22 AM
May 2022

You’re probably correct, but we’ve always had homeless as far as I can tell. In most respects we’ve been the end of the line, there’s really nowhere else to go. Not too long ago forested areas and urban regions where not too far apart. Creating a rough shelter was kind of possible, with suburban sprawl and growth, heavy forest for the homeless to hide in has disappeared close to the communities. The demographics of the homeless seems to have returned to the 1930’s though. At that time the area just south of Seattle had a large collection of shacks refered to as Hooverville. Apart from the more durable nature of the structures, little difference.

It’s particularly bad here at the moment due to the meteoric rise in housing costs.

Hassin Bin Sober

(27,458 posts)
13. I have a buddy who lives in Phoenix. When we visited I was surprised he had a valve in his lawn ...
Sat May 14, 2022, 01:08 AM
May 2022

…. that gets water a couple times a week. They open it and it floods the lawn. This was 10 years ago. I’m sure things have changed.

When I said I thought they had water problems he said no they get runoff and there is some canal in the city, iirc.

Warpy

(114,595 posts)
15. Covering those damned canals over would help
Sat May 14, 2022, 12:49 PM
May 2022

I live at 6000 feet in NM and had a small water feature in my back yard when the drought really got going. The water level would go down two inches a day in April-August. The altitude keeps us 15-25 degrees cooler than Phoenix, so I can imagine how much water those canals evaporate off during the summer.

Phoenix has been especially stupid about water,. Southern California is trying to be smarter, but it's already too late for that California lifestyle. A cousin said something about a shower every 2 weeks last summer. This summer it might be 3.

This is the other problem they're having in AZ from making the desert bloom:



Parts of southern California, northern Mexico, and especially Mexico City are also subsiding at a huge rate. West Texas is set to join them.

Auggie

(33,133 posts)
3. As if they couldn't see this coming ...
Fri May 13, 2022, 08:04 PM
May 2022

You know people did. Some were silenced. Others took the real estate commissions and/or graft and moved away.

NCjack

(10,297 posts)
8. I think you are correct. The smart cashed in and have departed for wetter climates.
Fri May 13, 2022, 10:24 PM
May 2022
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