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An MSNBC panel discusses the possibility raised by the January 6th Committee that Donald Trump was deliberately trying to manipulate Election Day counting by criticizing mail-in voting and had abandoned trying to win the election in favor of trying to scheme a means of holding power. Aired on 06/13/2022.
NanceGreggs
(27,820 posts)The minute he wanted to declare a win after the in-person ballots were counted, it became obvious why he was so adamant that his supporters vote in person in the middle of a pandemic.
Rhiannon12866
(206,380 posts)And that was also a way to rile up his "supporters," since he'd already convinced them that he "won," and they still believe it to this day, we heard the tapes of them parroting TFG's talking points/excuses. He even called for the voting to stop before all the votes were counted if it was reported that he was ahead.
BumRushDaShow
(129,737 posts)One of the advantages of that voting method was to actually help their rural red voters vote without having to travel dozens of miles to some voting location since most urban areas actually have polling places much closer to where they live (in my case, it's 2 blocks down the street).
But the idiotic irony of them wanting to repeal it or throw out the votes, is because THEY were also on the same ballot so if they threw out those mail votes, they also threw out the votes from their OWN voters who used that method and voted for them (i.e., you did NOT have 100% GOP using "in-person voting" ONLY nor did you have 100% Democratic use of "mail ballots" ONLY).
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@JohnFetterman
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Nov 28, 2020
Let me be clear: This is nothing but a pitiful, desperate publicity stunt.
They literally could introduce a resolution calling for a ham sandwich to be our state bird.
This isnt going anywhere.
The sponsors know this better than anyone. 1/2
https://legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/Legis/CSM/showMemoPublic.cfm?chamber=S&SPick=20190&cosponId=32629
John Fetterman
@JohnFetterman
All of this: the bizarre snake-handling at the Ramada, the tin foil hat conspiracy theories, is demented carnival barking to distract from they *cant find any fraud whatsoever*
Zero. Their cases are quite seriously laughed out of court- even by the Trump appointees. 2/3
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5:23 AM · Nov 28, 2020 from Braddock, PA
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@JohnFetterman
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Nov 28, 2020
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All of this: the bizarre snake-handling at the Ramada, the tin foil hat conspiracy theories, is demented carnival barking to distract from they *cant find any fraud whatsoever*
Zero. Their cases are quite seriously laughed out of court- even by the Trump appointees. 2/3
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John Fetterman
@JohnFetterman
By Monday, our legislative term expires, because their election results havent been certified-because of a GOP lawsuit - they couldnt vote on this even if they were able to.
Twisted spectacle is the final refuge for the sad, the desperate, the sycophant, the snake-handler.
5:23 AM · Nov 28, 2020 from Braddock, PA
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@JohnFetterman
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Nov 27, 2020
This is also false.
Furthermore, the entire PA legislatures term expires on Monday, November 30th and because their election results havent been certified (other PAGOP lawsuit 🙄 there wouldnt even technically be a House or Senate.
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John Fetterman
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A spokesperson for the state House Republicans panned a local lawmaker's renewed call to empower the Legislature to seat presidential electors instead of state Secretary of State KathyBoockvar
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Mastriano says Legislature should overturn Trump loss
"We're going to take our power back; we're going to seat the electors," Mastriano said. "Now, obviously, we're going to need the support of the leaders of the House and Senate."
2:58 PM · Nov 27, 2020 from Braddock, PA
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@JohnFetterman
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Jan 7, 2021
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Pennsylvania was smeared like no other and we responded like no other.
*Every last elected official* from PA that concurrently affirmed their OWN victory on the same ballot while bearing false witness against their own state must be held accountable.
John Fetterman
@JohnFetterman
Carnival barking and snake handling in a Ramada ballroom was literally the best they could come up with in the past two months.
6:39 AM · Jan 7, 2021 from Homestead, PA
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@JohnFetterman
PAs election was always free and fair.
Two months of lies + viscous smears couldnt change that.
The results held.
There never was any fraud or conspiracy.
As Ive said since November: It always was, + only ever been, just my dude in Forty Fort.
Election 2020 Pennsylvania Mail-In Voting
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Forty Fort man applied for a ballot for his deceased mother, detectives allege
A Forty Fort man forged the name and signature of his deceased mother on an application for an absentee ballot, prosecutors allege.
6:23 AM · Jan 7, 2021 from West Homestead, PA
THIS is the text of the "resolution" that insurrectionist, now GOP candidate for governor of PA Doug Mastriano drafted to overthrow the government - https://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/Legis/CSM/showMemoPublic.cfm?chamber=S&SPick=20190&cosponId=32629
Session of 2019 - 2020 Regular Session
MEMORANDUM
Posted: November 27, 2020 07:33 PM
From: Senator Doug Mastriano and Sen. David J. Arnold, Jr., Sen. Michele Brooks, Sen. Mario M. Scavello
To: All Senate members
Subject: RESOLUTION: Disputing the 2020 General Election
In the immediate future, we will be introducing the following resolution:
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A RESOLUTION
WHEREAS, Article I, Section 4, Clause 1 of the United States Constitution empowers state legislatures, including the General Assembly of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, to prescribe the Times, Places, and Manner of conducting elections; and
WHEREAS, Article II, Section 1, Clause 2 of the United States Constitution empowers state legislatures, including the General Assembly of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, to direct the manner of appointing electors for President and Vice President of the United States; and
WHEREAS, the General Assembly of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania has exercised its authority to establish election administration procedures for the Commonwealth, known as the Pennsylvania Election Code; and
WHEREAS, the Pennsylvania Election Code requires all mail-in ballots to be received by eight oclock P.M. on the day of the election; and
WHEREAS, the Pennsylvania Election Code requires election officials at polling places to authenticate the signatures of in-person voters; and
WHEREAS, the Pennsylvania Election Code requires mail-in ballots to be received in the office of the county board of elections and makes no mention of "satellite locations" to be solely used for the collection of "mail-in" ballots; and
WHEREAS, the Pennsylvania Election Code requires that county boards of elections shall not meet to conduct a pre-canvass of all absentee and mail-in ballots until seven oclock A.M. on Election Day, during which time defects on mail-in ballots would be identified; and
WHEREAS, the Pennsylvania Election Code prohibits the counting of defective absentee or mail-in ballots; and
WHEREAS, the Pennsylvania Election Code authorizes watchers, selected by candidates and political parties, to observe the process of canvassing absentee and mail-in ballots; and
WHEREAS, the Commonwealth conducted an election on November 3, 2020 for federal offices, including selecting electors for President and Vice President of the United States; and
WHEREAS, officials in the Executive and Judicial Branches of the Commonwealth infringed upon the General Assemblys authority under the United States Constitution by unlawfully changing the rules governing the November 3, 2020 election in the Commonwealth; and
WHEREAS, on September 17, 2020, less than seven weeks before the November 3, 2020 election, the partisan majority on the Supreme Court of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania unlawfully and unilaterally extended the deadline for mail-in ballots to be received, mandated that ballots mailed without a postmark would be presumed to be received timely, and could be accepted without a verified voter signature; and
WHEREAS, on October 23, 2020, less than two weeks before the November 3, 2020 election and upon a petition from the Secretary of the Commonwealth, the Supreme Court of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania ruled that mail-in ballots need not authenticate signatures for mail-in ballots, thereby treating in-person and mail-in voters dissimilarly and eliminating a critical safeguard against potential election crime; and
WHEREAS, on November 2, 2020, the night before the November 3, 2020 election and prior to the prescribed time for pre-canvassing mail-in ballots, the office of the Secretary of the Commonwealth encouraged certain counties to notify party and candidate representatives of mail-in voters whose ballots contained defects; and
WHEREAS, heavily Democrat counties permitted mail-in voters to cure ballot defects while heavily Republican counties followed the law and invalidated defective ballots; and
WHEREAS, in certain counties in the Commonwealth, watchers were not allowed to meaningfully observe the pre-canvassing and canvassing activities relating to absentee and mail-in ballots; and
WHEREAS, in other parts of the Commonwealth, watchers observed irregularities concerning the pre-canvassing and canvassing of absentee and mail-in ballots; and
WHEREAS, postal employees in Pennsylvania have reported anomalies relating to mail-in ballots, including multiple ballots delivered to a single address with unfamiliar addressees, ballots mailed to vacant homes, empty lots, and addresses that did not exist; and
WHEREAS, witnesses testifying before the Pennsylvania Senate Majority Policy Committee on November 25, 2020 have provided additional compelling information regarding the questionable nature of the administration of the 2020 General Election; and
WHEREAS, these and other actions of the Secretary of the Commonwealth and other election officials and actions taken at their direction or under their purview resulted in great confusion, the inconsistent application of rules and practices across the Commonwealth, insecurity and uncertainty regarding the collection, handling, storage, pre-canvassing, canvassing, counting, tabulation and reporting of votes and has undermined the legitimacy and accuracy of the vote count arising from mail-in ballots in certain counties in the Commonwealth; and
WHEREAS, the actions of the Secretary of the Commonwealth and others have been contrary to the direction of the Pennsylvania General Assembly regarding the conduct of the November 3, 2020 election for presidential electors in the Commonwealth; and
WHEREAS, there remains ongoing litigation concerning the administration of the November 3, 2020 election in the Commonwealth; and
WHEREAS, in 2016, Pennsylvanias general election results were certified on December 12, 2016, and on November 24, 2020, the Secretary of the Commonwealth unilaterally and prematurely certified results of the November 3, 2020 election regarding presidential electors despite ongoing litigation; and
WHEREAS, the Pennsylvania Senate has the duty to ensure that no citizen of this Commonwealth is disenfranchised, to insist that all elections are conducted according to the law, and to satisfy the general public that every legal vote is counted accurately;
THEREFORE, be it RESOLVED that the Pennsylvania Senate
1. Recognizes substantial irregularities and improprieties associated with mail-in balloting, pre-canvassing, and canvassing during the November 3, 2020 election; and
2. Finds, based on the facts and evidence presented and our own Board of Elections data, that the Presidential election held on November 3, 2020, in Pennsylvania is irredeemably corrupted; and
3. Disapproves of the infringement on the General Assemblys sole authority pursuant to the United States Constitution to regulate the selection of Electoral College delegates; and
4. Disapproves of and rejects the Secretary of the Commonwealths premature certification of the results of the November 3, 2020 election regarding presidential electors; and
5. Declares that the selection of presidential electors and other statewide electoral contest results in this Commonwealth is in dispute; and
6. Directs that, pursuant to our authority granted in Article II of the United States Constitution and the numerous illegal acts committed, encouraged and ignored by the Governor, Secretary of State, and certain election officials, we hereby take back and reserve to the Pennsylvania General Assembly the power to designate Presidential electors for the State of Pennsylvania for the December, 2020 meeting of the Electoral College and withdraw any prior statement or direction to the contrary given by us or any other official or body; and
7. Directs the Secretary of the Commonwealth and the Governor to withdraw and vacate the certification of presidential electors and to delay certification of results in other statewide electoral contests voted on at the 2020 General Election; and
8. Commands all Presidential electors and other officials to act in conformity with this resolution and not interfere with the authority of the Pennsylvania General Assembly under Article II, Section 1, Clause 2 and under Article I, Section 4, Clause 1 of the United States Constitution; and
9. Urges the United States Congress to recognize and count as the State of Pennsylvanias electoral votes for President and Vice-President only such electoral votes as are certified directly by the Pennsylvania House of Representatives and the Pennsylvania Senate by subsequent resolution.
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Please join us in cosponsoring this critical resolution.
llashram
(6,265 posts)yet. How d.trump and the trump Postmaster removed very reliable and necessary mail sorting machines to slow the mail down considerably and how many post boxes were removed to keep thousands not able to get to a post office from mailing their votes.
Yet the postal worker persevered under duress and did their appointed duty to the American people. Not proud of the Postmasters for trump though. And de-joy must go!!