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Rhiannon12866

(206,380 posts)
Tue Jun 14, 2022, 03:40 AM Jun 2022

Trump Criticism Of Mail-In Voting Seen In More Sinister Context In January 6th Hearing - MSNBC



An MSNBC panel discusses the possibility raised by the January 6th Committee that Donald Trump was deliberately trying to manipulate Election Day counting by criticizing mail-in voting and had abandoned trying to win the election in favor of trying to scheme a means of holding power. Aired on 06/13/2022.


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Trump Criticism Of Mail-In Voting Seen In More Sinister Context In January 6th Hearing - MSNBC (Original Post) Rhiannon12866 Jun 2022 OP
I thought this was obvious ... and already acknowledged. NanceGreggs Jun 2022 #1
Exactly! He didn't care about the pandemic, he wanted to declare victory as soon as possible Rhiannon12866 Jun 2022 #2
And because of this BumRushDaShow Jun 2022 #3
no one is mentioning llashram Jun 2022 #4

NanceGreggs

(27,820 posts)
1. I thought this was obvious ... and already acknowledged.
Tue Jun 14, 2022, 04:06 AM
Jun 2022

The minute he wanted to declare a win after the in-person ballots were counted, it became obvious why he was so adamant that his supporters vote in person in the middle of a pandemic.

Rhiannon12866

(206,380 posts)
2. Exactly! He didn't care about the pandemic, he wanted to declare victory as soon as possible
Tue Jun 14, 2022, 04:22 AM
Jun 2022

And that was also a way to rile up his "supporters," since he'd already convinced them that he "won," and they still believe it to this day, we heard the tapes of them parroting TFG's talking points/excuses. He even called for the voting to stop before all the votes were counted if it was reported that he was ahead.

BumRushDaShow

(129,737 posts)
3. And because of this
Tue Jun 14, 2022, 06:25 AM
Jun 2022
the GOP-majority state legislature here in PA, which save for ONE of their members (and one (D) voted against it), voted unanimously to implement Act-77 that allowed "no-excuse absentee ballots" (mail) in exchange for Democrats giving up "straight party ticket voting", suddenly wanted to declare the law "unconstitutional" (despite their own law requiring Constitutional challenges to happen no later than 6 months after enactment and after already using the law for a primary before that 2020 general election, having had no problems with it).

One of the advantages of that voting method was to actually help their rural red voters vote without having to travel dozens of miles to some voting location since most urban areas actually have polling places much closer to where they live (in my case, it's 2 blocks down the street).

But the idiotic irony of them wanting to repeal it or throw out the votes, is because THEY were also on the same ballot so if they threw out those mail votes, they also threw out the votes from their OWN voters who used that method and voted for them (i.e., you did NOT have 100% GOP using "in-person voting" ONLY nor did you have 100% Democratic use of "mail ballots" ONLY).






John Fetterman
@JohnFetterman
·
Nov 28, 2020
Let me be clear: This is nothing but a pitiful, desperate publicity stunt.

They literally could introduce a resolution calling for a ham sandwich to be our state bird.

This isn’t going anywhere.

The sponsors know this better than anyone. 1/2
https://legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/Legis/CSM/showMemoPublic.cfm?chamber=S&SPick=20190&cosponId=32629
John Fetterman
@JohnFetterman
All of this: the bizarre snake-handling at the Ramada, the tin foil hat conspiracy theories, is demented carnival barking to distract from they *can’t find any fraud whatsoever*

Zero. Their “cases” are quite seriously laughed out of court- even by the Trump appointees. 2/3
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5:23 AM · Nov 28, 2020 from Braddock, PA





John Fetterman
@JohnFetterman
·
Nov 28, 2020
Replying to @JohnFetterman
All of this: the bizarre snake-handling at the Ramada, the tin foil hat conspiracy theories, is demented carnival barking to distract from they *can’t find any fraud whatsoever*

Zero. Their “cases” are quite seriously laughed out of court- even by the Trump appointees. 2/3
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John Fetterman
@JohnFetterman
By Monday, our legislative term expires, because their election results haven’t been certified-because of a GOP lawsuit - they couldn’t vote on this even if they were able to.

Twisted spectacle is the final refuge for the sad, the desperate, the sycophant, the snake-handler.
5:23 AM · Nov 28, 2020 from Braddock, PA





John Fetterman
@JohnFetterman
·
Nov 27, 2020
This is also false.

Furthermore, the entire PA legislature’s term expires on Monday, November 30th and because their election results haven’t been certified (other PAGOP lawsuit 🙄 there wouldn’t even technically be a House or Senate.
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John Fetterman
@JohnFetterman
😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆

“A spokesperson for the state House Republicans panned a local lawmaker's renewed call to empower the Legislature to seat presidential electors instead of state Secretary of State KathyBoockvar”
yorkdispatch.com
Mastriano says Legislature should overturn Trump loss
"We're going to take our power back; we're going to seat the electors," Mastriano said. "Now, obviously, we're going to need the support of the leaders of the House and Senate."
2:58 PM · Nov 27, 2020 from Braddock, PA





John Fetterman
@JohnFetterman
·
Jan 7, 2021
Replying to @JohnFetterman
Pennsylvania was smeared like no other and we responded like no other.

*Every last elected official* from PA that concurrently affirmed their OWN victory on the same ballot while bearing false witness against their own state must be held accountable.
John Fetterman
@JohnFetterman
Carnival barking and snake handling in a Ramada ballroom was literally the best they could come up with in the past two months.
6:39 AM · Jan 7, 2021 from Homestead, PA





John Fetterman
@JohnFetterman
PA’s election was always free and fair.

Two months of lies + viscous smears couldn’t change that.

The results held.

There never was any fraud or conspiracy.

As I’ve said since November: It always was, + only ever been, just my dude in Forty Fort.
Election 2020 Pennsylvania Mail-In Voting
citizensvoice.com
Forty Fort man applied for a ballot for his deceased mother, detectives allege
A Forty Fort man forged the name and signature of his deceased mother on an application for an absentee ballot, prosecutors allege.
6:23 AM · Jan 7, 2021 from West Homestead, PA


THIS is the text of the "resolution" that insurrectionist, now GOP candidate for governor of PA Doug Mastriano drafted to overthrow the government - https://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/Legis/CSM/showMemoPublic.cfm?chamber=S&SPick=20190&cosponId=32629

Senate of Pennsylvania
Session of 2019 - 2020 Regular Session

MEMORANDUM

Posted: November 27, 2020 07:33 PM
From: Senator Doug Mastriano and Sen. David J. Arnold, Jr., Sen. Michele Brooks, Sen. Mario M. Scavello
To: All Senate members
Subject: RESOLUTION: Disputing the 2020 General Election

In the immediate future, we will be introducing the following resolution:

**********

A RESOLUTION

WHEREAS, Article I, Section 4, Clause 1 of the United States Constitution empowers state legislatures, including the General Assembly of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, to prescribe the “Times, Places, and Manner” of conducting elections; and

WHEREAS, Article II, Section 1, Clause 2 of the United States Constitution empowers state legislatures, including the General Assembly of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, to direct the manner of appointing electors for President and Vice President of the United States; and

WHEREAS, the General Assembly of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania has exercised its authority to establish election administration procedures for the Commonwealth, known as the Pennsylvania Election Code; and

WHEREAS, the Pennsylvania Election Code requires all mail-in ballots to be received by eight o’clock P.M. on the day of the election; and

WHEREAS, the Pennsylvania Election Code requires election officials at polling places to authenticate the signatures of in-person voters; and

WHEREAS, the Pennsylvania Election Code requires mail-in ballots to be received in the office of the county board of elections and makes no mention of "satellite locations" to be solely used for the collection of "mail-in" ballots; and

WHEREAS, the Pennsylvania Election Code requires that county boards of elections shall not meet to conduct a pre-canvass of all absentee and mail-in ballots until seven o’clock A.M. on Election Day, during which time defects on mail-in ballots would be identified; and

WHEREAS, the Pennsylvania Election Code prohibits the counting of defective absentee or mail-in ballots; and

WHEREAS, the Pennsylvania Election Code authorizes “watchers,” selected by candidates and political parties, to observe the process of canvassing absentee and mail-in ballots; and

WHEREAS, the Commonwealth conducted an election on November 3, 2020 for federal offices, including selecting electors for President and Vice President of the United States; and

WHEREAS, officials in the Executive and Judicial Branches of the Commonwealth infringed upon the General Assembly’s authority under the United States Constitution by unlawfully changing the rules governing the November 3, 2020 election in the Commonwealth; and

WHEREAS, on September 17, 2020, less than seven weeks before the November 3, 2020 election, the partisan majority on the Supreme Court of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania unlawfully and unilaterally extended the deadline for mail-in ballots to be received, mandated that ballots mailed without a postmark would be presumed to be received timely, and could be accepted without a verified voter signature; and

WHEREAS, on October 23, 2020, less than two weeks before the November 3, 2020 election and upon a petition from the Secretary of the Commonwealth, the Supreme Court of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania ruled that mail-in ballots need not authenticate signatures for mail-in ballots, thereby treating in-person and mail-in voters dissimilarly and eliminating a critical safeguard against potential election crime; and

WHEREAS, on November 2, 2020, the night before the November 3, 2020 election and prior to the prescribed time for pre-canvassing mail-in ballots, the office of the Secretary of the Commonwealth encouraged certain counties to notify party and candidate representatives of mail-in voters whose ballots contained defects; and

WHEREAS, heavily Democrat counties permitted mail-in voters to cure ballot defects while heavily Republican counties followed the law and invalidated defective ballots; and

WHEREAS, in certain counties in the Commonwealth, watchers were not allowed to meaningfully observe the pre-canvassing and canvassing activities relating to absentee and mail-in ballots; and

WHEREAS, in other parts of the Commonwealth, watchers observed irregularities concerning the pre-canvassing and canvassing of absentee and mail-in ballots; and

WHEREAS, postal employees in Pennsylvania have reported anomalies relating to mail-in ballots, including multiple ballots delivered to a single address with unfamiliar addressees, ballots mailed to vacant homes, empty lots, and addresses that did not exist; and

WHEREAS, witnesses testifying before the Pennsylvania Senate Majority Policy Committee on November 25, 2020 have provided additional compelling information regarding the questionable nature of the administration of the 2020 General Election; and

WHEREAS, these and other actions of the Secretary of the Commonwealth and other election officials and actions taken at their direction or under their purview resulted in great confusion, the inconsistent application of rules and practices across the Commonwealth, insecurity and uncertainty regarding the collection, handling, storage, pre-canvassing, canvassing, counting, tabulation and reporting of votes and has undermined the legitimacy and accuracy of the vote count arising from mail-in ballots in certain counties in the Commonwealth; and

WHEREAS, the actions of the Secretary of the Commonwealth and others have been contrary to the direction of the Pennsylvania General Assembly regarding the conduct of the November 3, 2020 election for presidential electors in the Commonwealth; and

WHEREAS, there remains ongoing litigation concerning the administration of the November 3, 2020 election in the Commonwealth; and

WHEREAS, in 2016, Pennsylvania’s general election results were certified on December 12, 2016, and on November 24, 2020, the Secretary of the Commonwealth unilaterally and prematurely certified results of the November 3, 2020 election regarding presidential electors despite ongoing litigation; and

WHEREAS, the Pennsylvania Senate has the duty to ensure that no citizen of this Commonwealth is disenfranchised, to insist that all elections are conducted according to the law, and to satisfy the general public that every legal vote is counted accurately;

THEREFORE, be it RESOLVED that the Pennsylvania Senate —

1. Recognizes substantial irregularities and improprieties associated with mail-in balloting, pre-canvassing, and canvassing during the November 3, 2020 election; and

2. Finds, based on the facts and evidence presented and our own Board of Elections data, that the Presidential election held on November 3, 2020, in Pennsylvania is irredeemably corrupted; and

3. Disapproves of the infringement on the General Assembly’s sole authority pursuant to the United States Constitution to regulate the selection of Electoral College delegates; and

4. Disapproves of and rejects the Secretary of the Commonwealth’s premature certification of the results of the November 3, 2020 election regarding presidential electors; and

5. Declares that the selection of presidential electors and other statewide electoral contest results in this Commonwealth is in dispute; and

6. Directs that, pursuant to our authority granted in Article II of the United States Constitution and the numerous illegal acts committed, encouraged and ignored by the Governor, Secretary of State, and certain election officials, we hereby take back and reserve to the Pennsylvania General Assembly the power to designate Presidential electors for the State of Pennsylvania for the December, 2020 meeting of the Electoral College and withdraw any prior statement or direction to the contrary given by us or any other official or body; and

7. Directs the Secretary of the Commonwealth and the Governor to withdraw and vacate the certification of presidential electors and to delay certification of results in other statewide electoral contests voted on at the 2020 General Election; and

8. Commands all Presidential electors and other officials to act in conformity with this resolution and not interfere with the authority of the Pennsylvania General Assembly under Article II, Section 1, Clause 2 and under Article I, Section 4, Clause 1 of the United States Constitution; and

9. Urges the United States Congress to recognize and count as the State of Pennsylvania’s electoral votes for President and Vice-President only such electoral votes as are certified directly by the Pennsylvania House of Representatives and the Pennsylvania Senate by subsequent resolution.

**********

Please join us in cosponsoring this critical resolution.

llashram

(6,265 posts)
4. no one is mentioning
Tue Jun 14, 2022, 10:10 AM
Jun 2022

yet. How d.trump and the trump Postmaster removed very reliable and necessary mail sorting machines to slow the mail down considerably and how many post boxes were removed to keep thousands not able to get to a post office from mailing their votes.

Yet the postal worker persevered under duress and did their appointed duty to the American people. Not proud of the Postmasters for trump though. And de-joy must go!!

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