Presidential Historian: 'Please Do Not Canonize Mike Pence' - The Last Word - MSNBC

[Rhiannon12866]

Presidential historian Michael Beschloss and Slate’s Dahlia Lithwick join MSNBC’s Lawrence O’Donnell to discuss Ginni Thomas’s efforts to overturn the 2020 election results and former Vice President Mike Pence’s silence as Donald Trump pressured him to overturn the election. Aired on 06/16/2022.

[Solly Mack]

1. No worries there.

From me anyway.

[Rhiannon12866]

2. Good Grief! Same here!

From what we saw over 4 years, I tend to think of Pence as a echo of TFG. He did come out with "TFG was wrong," but too little, way too late..

[SheltieLover]

3. Me three!

[Rhiannon12866]

5. The one time we didn't mind him was when he entertained us with the fly!

[Solly Mack]

9. Yes, but truth be told, it was the fly that got all the positive attention.

[Solly Mack]

10. Doing what you're paid to do isn't the same as going above and beyond.

Sure, he had to deal with Trump, but he signed up for that when he agreed to run as his VP. He heaped praise on Trump for 5 years (campaign plus 4) through all the damage Trump caused.

Pence wasn't thinking of the country, he was thinking of his future political career.

If he could have gotten away with it, I firmly believe Pence would have gone along that day.

For fuck's sake, the man had to call Dan Quayle to tell him what to do - which means he was thinking about doing it.

[OnDoutside]

4. I must Google Pence canonisation....

Pence did a good thing, It's possible to say that and also call him an asshole.

[Solly Mack]

11. He did his job correctly, once and he's still the same asshole he has always been.

[onetexan]

6. Pence knew for weeks, if not days, of the Con's plan but chose not to alert the FBI/DoJ about it.

[Rhiannon12866]

7. Now that's the point, isn't? He even took the time to call Dan Quayle!

Come to think of it, Dan Quayle likely knew who to call - not to mention most of the witnesses who were interviewed today...

[onetexan]

8. Precisely. The Con's inner circle & all who knew - they should have all come fwd as demanded by

their oath of office to uphold the Constitution, not to mention as a dutiful citizen of the US.

[calimary]

12. And some of 'em have a debt to pay to society.

THAT is what I wait to see.

[flying_wahini]

13. I dunno but I like to think that Pence was a sniveling, groveling piece of furniture for 4 years.

After being pushed around, ignored and doing Trumps petty dirty work (like at the football game where they were kneeling and then Pence and Mom immediately left).

The humiliation he got from that burned deep in his soul and that when Trumps goons
came to hang him he made a big boy decision to stand up to him.
I think it WAS his first last and Only moment of bravery. He did it, too.
I know he isn’t a hero, but I am still grateful.

[Rhiannon12866]

14. Well said and I agree.

Can anyone remember any issues Pence championed or independent responsibilities he held for 4 years? President Carter changed the Vice Presidency with Mondale who had his own independent responsibilities and an office right near the president's which was the center of action. TFG turned back the clock with Pence. I can remember nothing he said until his VP debate with Kamala Harris (the one with the fly), and all I remember from that was his quotes from TFG.

It was long past time he stood up for himself and I'm grateful, too. Though it sure is confusing since he's reverted to championing TFG and his policies to "supporters" who now resent him...