Lehto's Law: Michigan State Sup. Ct. Blocks Police Fingerprinting w/o a Warrant or Charged of Crime

[TheBlackAdder]

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Grand Rapids cops used to fingerprint someone they've encountered, without and due cause.

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[SWBTATTReg]

1. Does this include fingerprinting of children in case they're abducted? I recall my volunteer group

fingerprinting children in the St. Louis area, and giving the cards to the parents, guardians. I don't think that this is the same thing, and as long as the police don't receive the fingerprint cards after the volunteer group fingerprints the children (only the guardians/parents), we're okay.

[TheBlackAdder]

2. Even in NJ, child fingerprinting was just on cards that were held by the parents or guardians

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This addresses a problem where the cops would just stop randos and fingerprint them.

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[rsdsharp]

3. What he's talking about is involuntary fingerprinting.

There are many cops, if you refuse to give up your ID, or give them your name and birthdate, will threaten to “detain” you, put you in cuffs, throw you into a car, and taken you to the station to get your prints in order to identify you. Here, they were actually carrying fingerprint kits in the field to do it.

This is a clear violation of the Fourth Amendment. They have no right to ID you unless they have Reasonable Articulable Suspicion of a Crime, that you have, are or will commit. That suspicion must be based on Specific Objective Facts, not just a hunch or the fact you are in a high crime area.

Cops always want ID so they can check you for warrants in the hope the can get an easy arrest. There’s a video out there where the cops came on a guy’s property without a warrant, shot his dog, and when he showed up, wanted his name and date of birth to run HIM for warrants!

[SWBTATTReg]

4. Thanks! I do have a fear of being pulled over, but not because I committed any crimes but ...

because I'm profoundly hard of hearing, and thus not able to follow any directions etc. that they may issue.

That fear will always be there.

I remember one time that the front door opened a crack (the wind blew it open) and thus set off the alarm. The police showed up and the neighbors, thank God for them, came running over to the house, told the police/warned them that I in the house (mine) was profoundly hard of hearing and that they would scare me to death when they checked in on me in my bedroom ...

of course, I was soundly asleep, but thank God that the neighbors warned them. For they came into my bedroom and tapped me on my foot, of course I woke up w/ a start. And I do appreciate these people so much, for I fear what if a fire breaks out ... I wouldn't hear anything. Thus, I have smoke/fire detectors in EVERY room of my house, and the hallways.

I also keep a note posted on my front door to knock really loud, a hard of hearing person lives here. My other half doesn't want me to leave such notes, is concerned that the wrong people would get the wrong idea, and he may be right, but still, I'd prefer to have the note there to protect myself. I also have the 3 dogs w/ me too, so they raise up a ruckus if need be.